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| Have we actually signed this guy or what? Still nothing been confirmed. Lilycrop had a no nonsense style and we were very hasty to let him go 2.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Have we actually signed this guy or what? Still nothing been confirmed. Lilycrop had a no nonsense style and we were very hasty to let him go 2.'"
Yes he does and no we didn't.
I'll have a £5 bet to charity with you that he never plays NRL or SL and will most likely play bush or championship Rugby.
Have to say you never fail to amaze me. You called every forward we signed a few years ago a midget (wrongly). Lillycrop who actually is a bit to small you got right, I'd leave it there.
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| I know we have strayed off the TT thread but at the end of the day, all fans want to see is success at their club and in the main, they don't get too stressed with nationalities of players, I am a fan. It's just my preference for a majority of UK based players at my club plus a few marquee players.
I understand the points from Vastman and Jacques, and cream will always rise to the top, however, as things have improved on the player pathway in the last few years, more improvement may lead to double cream and we may end up with other Super League clubs sniffing around our players so we make money of transfers etc.
However, I am a realist. I know full well that this will never happen as clubs will always chase the dream and the RFL will not impose regulations that are water tight.
Collis, T.Smith, Poore, Aiton, Mellors, Lauititi, = 46% of starting line up =overseas players.
Add TT and that makes 54%.
Mask it any way you like, that is high.
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| I think right now we have the right balance between established quality imports, english players and creating opportunities for youngsters from the academy to progress through to the first team. I've no idea how good Taulima Tauti is, but irrespective, i'd expect one import to leave for him to sign. We must allow the likes of Trout, Walshaw, Annakin, Cowling, Wildie etc opportunities. Granted they may not take these but there must be the chance to play 4-5 games a season.
I want to see a succesful Trinity side, but i want to see local talent flourish and players to progress from academy to represent our first team. It's no coincidence that sides who go onto win trophies do so on the back of sides with a large representation of players from their academies.
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| I'd expect Mellars to be on his way out and has Big Ali got another season left in his old bones?
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| Quote ="bren2k"I'd expect Mellars to be on his way out and has Big Ali got another season left in his old bones?'"
Deffo got atleast one more season in Ali i'd say
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| Quote ="Jizzer"Deffo got atleast one more season in Ali i'd say'"
I hope so; perhaps with a fired up young(ish) prop like Tauti to do some of the hard yakka, he can be used more as an impact player off the bench, which is better suited to his unorthodox style of play? No criticism of Agar in that by the way - I just don't think we've had the luxury of using him like that for the most part.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I hope so; perhaps with a fired up young(ish) [uprop[/u like Tauti to do some of the hard yakka, he can be used more as an impact player off the bench, which is better suited to his unorthodox style of play? No criticism of Agar in that by the way - I just don't think we've had the luxury of using him like that for the most part.'"
Or winger?
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| Quote ="bren2k"I hope so; perhaps with a fired up young(ish) prop like Tauti to do some of the hard yakka, he can be used more as an impact player off the bench, which is better suited to his unorthodox style of play? No criticism of Agar in that by the way - I just don't think we've had the luxury of using him like that for the most part.'"
He's contracted until the end of 2014 so he'll still be around next season and providing we manage his workload I reckon he'll handle it fine. Impact player off the bench would suit him well but we will miss his physicality on the field and I think this is where the thinking behind the Tautai signing comes in as he is a fair unit.
As you say TT can do the hard yards and soften them up, then step forward Cameo Ali!
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| Quote ="Fordy"The impression I get is that the change in Annekin is not in his on-field performances, it's in his attitude off the pitch. There are well documented examples of that kicking around if you search for them. Agar proved with his treatment of Amor earlier in the season that he won't accept that (even if it is to the detriment of the performance).
From what I hear Annekin has changed that around and is now knuckling down and proving he deserves his run in the team, not just by his performances on-field (as we know we would have got that whenever he was brought in) but with his attitude off it.'"
I seem to remember an interview by Agar near the start of the season that said as much.
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| Quote ="jacques"I am not an idiot El Rey and have been involved in the game a long time.
I know that players need mentoring, guidance etc etc etc as do people in any profession.
But there are those who do not have that little bit extra to be a real success.
My son is a perfect example and I know he would be the first to admit it.
He played League and Union for Yorkshire schools and League for Yorkshire BARLA, but despite all the guidance from myself and many excellent coaches he was not able to make the step up to professional RL
I am retired now and I can tell you that in my Profession there were those who despite all the help ,advice, mentoring given to them were never going to be more than average.
Occasionally people came along with that little bit extra, took advice etc. willingly and forged ahead.
You cannot put in what is not there.'"
I apologise if i came over that way and i don't think you are an idiot.
Point stands, Attitude is not the be all of becoming a quallity player.
If i'm honest i get sick of hearing posters who have no idea at alll and believe everything they are told without being able to think for themselves.
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| Quote ="vastman"Yes he does and no we didn't.
I'll have a £5 bet to charity with you that he never plays NRL or SL and will most likely play bush or championship Rugby.
Have to say you never fail to amaze me. You called every forward we signed a few years ago a midget (wrongly). Lillycrop who actually is a bit to small you got right, I'd leave it there.'"
This is why you are the most ignorant poster on here. You jump to conclusions and harass people with your dictionary you have swallowed. Many times I have said its more than just size. Annakin is a midget but his running style and his carry and determination makes up for it. Lillycrop if coached right I think had a good style and may of made it. Liam Higgins, Ryan Boyle, Paul Johnson have all made it in SL, SL standard not amazingly high why rite Lillycrop off? I remember saying Paul Johnson was no loss he hasn't been a loss one bit.
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| No need to apologise El Rey.
It's only a debate.Nevertheless I appreciate your response.
Up the mighty Trin.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"This is why you are the most ignorant poster on here. You jump to conclusions and harass people with your dictionary you have swallowed. Many times I have said its more than just size. Annakin is a midget but his running style and his carry and determination makes up for it. Lillycrop if coached right I think had a good style and may of made it. Liam Higgins, Ryan Boyle, Paul Johnson have all made it in SL, SL standard not amazingly high why rite Lillycrop off? I remember saying Paul Johnson was no loss he hasn't been a loss one bit.'"
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"This is why you are the most ignorant poster on here. You jump to conclusions and harass people with your dictionary you have swallowed. Many times I have said its more than just size. Annakin is a midget but his running style and his carry and determination makes up for it. Lillycrop if coached right I think had a good style and may of made it. Liam Higgins, Ryan Boyle, Paul Johnson have all made it in SL, SL standard not amazingly high why rite Lillycrop off? I remember saying Paul Johnson was no loss he hasn't been a loss one bit.'"
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| Quote ="Fordy"Pot
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| Quote ="El Rey"And in several cases thats was the clubs failing, not the players.
Thats a miliion miles from the truth jacgues, good players will come through "if " they are mentored properly and "if" thaty have the correct training facilities and coaching staff to help develope them.
Thye need time/money and a whole load of first class training, of course they need the right attitude but that comes with the club showing them that respect and then it works both ways.
Its old stuff but the last batch of juniors imo failed because the club failed them, i know for a fact thats all changed/changing and thank god for that.
I do not know anything about this Taulima guy and i hope he goes well for us but i look forward to the day we don't need to sign players like him.'"
Don't think those days will come with a regional sport just based in the north and a relatively small talent pool. Gone are the days of a top RL team with just UK players was that the 70s the last time we had that?
TT could turn into the next Solomona and a real crowd pleaser and top player and would we be saying that then?
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| Quote ="vastman"Aye!
I'm not the kettle thank you very much
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I've been called a pot before....But it did have toss in front of it!
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| A dozen pages of debate about a player who hasn't actually signed yet. Is he going to sign or has somebody just been creating a bit of interest?
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"A dozen pages of debate about a player who hasn't actually signed yet. Is he going to sign or has somebody just been creating a bit of interest?'"
It appears that plenty of different sources have confirmed that he has left parramatta and has joined us....except for the club, who've passed no comment to the best of my knowledge.
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| Quote ="BelleVueLifer"It appears that plenty of different sources have confirmed that he has left parramatta and has joined us....except for the club, who've passed no comment to the best of my knowledge.'"
He only was released from the Eels a few days ago, the clubs might not be mentioning it until his visa is sorted?
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| Quote ="The Dreadnought"He only was released from the Eels a few days ago, the clubs might not be mentioning it until his visa is sorted?'"
quite possibly.... Im making assumptions here but if the ball was rolling straight away, he may make it here for the magic weekend....
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| Quote ="BelleVueLifer"quite possibly.... Im making assumptions here but if the ball was rolling straight away, he may make it here for the magic weekend....'"
He may but there is no rush, its not like we need him right now its just to make us have abit more firepower in the front row.
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| Quote ="The Dreadnought"He may but there is no rush, its not like we need him right now its just to make us have abit more firepower in the front row.'"
It'd be nice to have him sooner rather than later though....to help the playoff push...
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| Quote ="BelleVueLifer"It'd be nice to have him sooner rather than later though....to help the playoff push...'"
Lets just hope that he isn't on the Jarred Hickey training regime while awaiting Visa confirmation
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