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| Quote ="deeHell"What a pathetic response. Thats always a sign of someone with a weak argument. On that basis we we shouldn't hold opinions on Professional sportsmen, politicians or anyone that does a job that we =#FF0000don't do.
Yet again the facts are as follows and I'm making an opinion on that!
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You mean couldn't do , or haven't earned the right to do
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| Quote ="Starbug"Read my post , and others again , I was takiing the mick ,
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| If Mr Richardson has invested his own money over they years in the Wildcats that will have been in the form of loans, if Mr Richardson then decides to call the loans back in that is his right, especially as it appears he is ready to stand down.
One easy way to do this would be to drastically reduce the wage bill to players, something that is surely obvious to us all that has happened for this coming season. Lets not forget there is the money from SKY and the lower the wages the more money left over.
So it is very easy for TR to recoup the monies he has loaned to the club at the same time selling his shares to the genral public. TR can walk away form the club with no loss to himself but at the same time no gain.
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| Quote ="gizmo"If Mr Richardson has invested his own money over they years in the Wildcats that will have been in the form of loans, if Mr Richardson then decides to call the loans back in that is his right, especially as it appears he is ready to stand down.
One easy way to do this would be to drastically reduce the wage bill to players, something that is surely obvious to us all that has happened for this coming season. Lets not forget there is the money from SKY and the lower the wages the more money left over.
So it is very easy for TR to recoup the monies he has loaned to the club at the same time selling his shares to the genral public. TR can walk away form the club with no loss to himself but at the same time no gain.'"
' left over ' , how do you equate that with losing money , year on year ? , yes he might want to cover perhaps a guarantee or two against himself personally , but to suggest ' no loss ' after how many years ?
Get real
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| Quote ="Starbug"' left over ' , how do you equate that with losing money , year on year ? , yes he might want to cover perhaps a guarantee or two against himself personally , but to suggest ' no loss ' after how many years ?
Get real'"
I suggest it is you that should get real and wake up to what is actually happening.
Whatever peoples opinion TR is a succesful businesman and succesful businessmen are not in the habit off giving money away.
Let me put it simply for you:
4 super league players on 100k / year
Release those players and sign 4 average players on 30k / year
Savings = 280k
Now tell me an investor cannot recoup the money and while there may be money left over it has still gone but to the investor who wants his money back.
You have looked at the squad for this season?
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| Quote ="gizmo"
Whatever peoples opinion TR is a succesful businesman and succesful businessmen are not in the habit off giving money away.
4 super league players on 100k / year
Release those players and sign 4 average players on 30k / year
Savings = 280k
You have looked at the squad for this season?
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You are presuming that up to this year having paid those players 100 K , you were breaking even , quite possibly the 280 K might be a normal seasons loss , one that he is unwilling or unable to sustain any more , so yes this seasons squad might not be able to perform to recent standards , maybe things have just come home to roost at a most inconvenient time for WTW
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| Quote ="gizmo"I suggest it is you that should get real and wake up to what is actually happening.
Whatever peoples opinion TR is a succesful businesman and succesful businessmen are not in the habit off giving money away.
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So successful businessmen don't give money away do they not
Probably 90 percent of pro sports clubs owners do exactly that , they are successful businessmen , then they take over at a charity which is better known as a football/rugby/RL club , they then forget everything they ever did to make them ' successful ' in business
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| Quote ="Starbug"So successful businessmen don't give money away do they not
Probably 90 percent of pro sports clubs owners do exactly that , they are successful businessmen , then they take over at a charity which is better known as a football/rugby/RL club , they then forget everything they ever did to make them ' successful ' in business'"
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"sleepy.gif'"
Have a lie down then, its not good being dosey at this time of day.
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| I blame neither to be honest.
The blame has to fall at the feet of Tony Martin, he was at the London Broncos they went into financial ruin. He played for us and we are on the brink, then went to Crusaders they went into administration. Just saying no smoke without fire.
Joking aside, I don't think either Pearman or Richardson can be held completely accountable. The problems we have now are a product of not moving with the times. The problems started before many of us on here started watching Wakefield, maybe even before many of us were born. It is fair to say that from 1960 to 1963 we were a, if not the dominant team in the league and kept that going for around about another 5yrs or so not as successfully. The problem is that the club has always been run like a family business not a Professional Sports Club. As the club have got older we have looked more like an also ran rather than a club of any substance. Yes our attendances have dropped over the decades but who's hasn't? We can point the finger at the stay away supporters and say get down to Belle Vue because that is one reason we are like we are. The truth is that because of the decline of the club for the last 40yrs + we are trying to play catch up by charging higher gate entry fees, granted not as high as some but they have a product to sell to their public. If we had just had some stability in the past we wouldn't be where we are now.
Some have said that we have had the most success while in the super league with the play-offs and a cup semi final. As in the past we failed to build on that and always will unless something changes.
IMHO going into administration wouldn't be the end of the world and would more good than harm. The thing that does kill you only makes you stronger. We need to learn from our mistakes of the past and build for a future, Super League is here to stay whether in it's current form or not, with us or without us only time can answer that one.
I don't care what competition it is I go watch I only care that it is Wakefield Trinity (with or without) Wildcats competing. Honestly I don't even care if it is at Newmarket or Belle Vue.
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| joke or no joke tony martin was treated like crap by us. that is a fact
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"joke or no joke tony martin was treated like crap by us. that is a fact'"
Most players are treated like crap by most clubs they are either not paid enough and leave for more money , ie clubs fault
Or they are not offered a new contract and leave , ie clubs fault
Same with coachs , they are either successful and leave for somewhere better or are not good enough and are sacked
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| Quote ="Starbug"So successful businessmen don't give money away do they not
Probably 90 percent of pro sports clubs owners do exactly that , they are successful businessmen , then they take over at a charity which is better known as a football/rugby/RL club , they then forget everything they ever did to make them ' successful ' in business'"
You have entirely missed the point, that if they want the money back they can get the money back, and any investor can if they wish call in there loans.
I merely point out that it would be a logical decision if TR decided to do this and it would certainly cause the situation we are currently in. Then again no one on the forum has the full facts or do they
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I have a list as long as my arm as evidence. Only dummies like u that dont realise whats going on at the minute !'"
Bring it tuesday and we'll have a gander.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Who's caused the most damage to our club? Opinions?'"
Diane Rogerson, end of story, goodbye, the end!
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| Quote ="gizmo"You have entirely missed the point, that if they want the money back they can get the money back, and any investor can if they wish call in there loans.
I merely point out that it would be a logical decision if TR decided to do this and it would certainly cause the situation we are currently in. Then again no one on the forum has the full facts or do they
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' Logic ' since when has ' Logic ' had anything to do with running a RL club ? , if he was applying ' Logic ' , he would have a yacht in the marina at Monte Carlo , not a weight around his neck like WTW , you are stupid to the extreme
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| Quote ="Lupset_Airport"Diane Rogerson, end of story, goodbye, the end!'"
Who is Diane Rogerson ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Who is Diane Rogerson ?'"
Former 'Chief Egg' and terrible actress, and now has a senior role at club but can't remember job title!
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| Executive Director. Looks like she's even had the bloody cheek to change her name to Diane Maskill.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Executive Director. Looks like she's even had the bloody cheek to change her name to Diane Maskill.'"
No disrespect RebelRebel , but that doesn't tell me much
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| Quote ="Starbug"No disrespect RebelRebel , but that doesn't tell me much'"
What exactly did you want to know when you asked "who is Diane Rogerson?"
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"What exactly did you want to know when you asked "who is Diane Rogerson?"'"
What her responsibility is with regards the situation Wakey find themselves in ?
Ie what has she done that is so wrong ?
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| In fairness to RR that's not what you asked !
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| To be fair it was. We said:
"deeHell wrote:Who's caused the most damage to our club? Opinions?
Diane Rogerson, end of story, goodbye, the end!"
He wanted to know who she was following this revelation.
So what's the crack?
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| Ted is a fan who invested what money he had in the club when no one else would. Now the ignorant and disrespectful fans (i.e. Mopsey) are having a go at the man whom saved us because he ran out of what small amount of money he had. It’s truly depressing to see people agree with him.
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