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| Having found out quite a bit more about what has gone on here and what the club are doing, I am very disappointed. Not with the club, but some of the posters on here that I thought were sensible and loyal and yet have been very quick to put the boot in when they don't even know half the true facts.
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| Go on then PB
Enlighten us all... further.
Some don't know about this issue and it is the clubs dealings we are talking about doesn't sit well after the tax debacle, not the clubs fault again you could say?
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| Am really sorry for Stosic and for us as he will be missed.
However the whole rule is a farce and hopefully a few more will be refused passports thus closing off this dodgy route for signing Aussies once and for all.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Having found out quite a bit more about what has gone on here and what the club are doing, I am very disappointed. Not with the club, but some of the posters on here that I thought were sensible and loyal and yet have been very quick to put the boot in when they don't even know half the true facts.'"
Must say from what I've read, I agree. having just been informed of this 20 mins ago, since which I've read the thread. By the end of it new information is still emerging, yet some have acted as judge, jury and executioner. Clearly not as straightforward as it first seemed and even if the fuller facts are being established (few seem to be able to dispute what you and a couple of others have stated), a lot turns on in what order events occured and decisions were made.
Lets just hope someone does find a way around the mess, as last year he was the heart of the forwards.
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| Quote ="mwildcats"Go on then PB
Enlighten us all... further.
Some don't know about this issue and it is the clubs dealings we are talking about doesn't sit well after the tax debacle, not the clubs fault again you could say?'"
This topic was started by a poster and not by the club. Can't blame the poster in all fairness because he put what he had heard in good faith. The club have not released anything because Stoz is not a lost cause and they are still looking how they can keep him. They were getting concerned about his passport he had promised months ago and thats why the RFL were approached to get their advice. They came up with the Serbia lifeline so club and RFL thought he would do that and all would be fine. Stoz did not take this lifeline( I know some will ask why he was not put under house arrest and then handcuffed taken to serbia and forced to play).
When the club realised that stupidly stoz had not done this other plans and action have been put into place. Some of it is sensitive and I will not post on here. All is not lost with Stoz but if it is we have other plans. The club have done all they can, you can accept it if you want or you can carry on and speculate. It will all come out in the fullness of time.
One final point , I think we all agree that quite a few of us had not heard of Stoz before we signed him. I am sure we all agree that he was also a very good signing and we did well to get him. So taking that into account lets trust the same people to try and keep him and if they can't lets hope the plan B is OK.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"This topic was started by a poster and not by the club. Can't blame the poster in all fairness because he put what he had heard in good faith. The club have not released anything because Stoz is not a lost cause and they are still looking how they can keep him. They were getting concerned about his passport he had promised months ago and thats why the RFL were approached to get their advice. They came up with the Serbia lifeline so club and RFL thought he would do that and all would be fine. Stoz did not take this lifeline( I know some will ask why he was not put under house arrest and then handcuffed taken to serbia and forced to play).
When the club realised that stupidly stoz had not done this other plans and action have been put into place. Some of it is sensitive and I will not post on here. All is not lost with Stoz but if it is we have other plans. The club have done all they can, you can accept it if you want or you can carry on and speculate. It will all come out in the fullness of time.
One final point , I think we all agree that quite a few of us had not heard of Stoz before we signed him. I am sure we all agree that he was also a very good signing and we did well to get him. So taking that into account lets trust the same people to try and keep him and if they can't lets hope the plan B is OK.'"
amen to that. as usual a tiny bit of information is dynamite on here
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"This topic was started by a poster and not by the club. Can't blame the poster in all fairness because he put what he had heard in good faith. The club have not released anything because Stoz is not a lost cause and they are still looking how they can keep him. They were getting concerned about his passport he had promised months ago and thats why the RFL were approached to get their advice. They came up with the Serbia lifeline so club and RFL thought he would do that and all would be fine. Stoz did not take this lifeline( I know some will ask why he was not put under house arrest and then handcuffed taken to serbia and forced to play).
When the club realised that stupidly stoz had not done this other plans and action have been put into place. Some of it is sensitive and I will not post on here. All is not lost with Stoz but if it is we have other plans. The club have done all they can, you can accept it if you want or you can carry on and speculate. It will all come out in the fullness of time.
One final point , I think we all agree that quite a few of us had not heard of Stoz before we signed him. I am sure we all agree that he was also a very good signing and we did well to get him. So taking that into account lets trust the same people to try and keep him and if they can't lets hope the plan B is OK.'"
I did jump in feet first, I admitted to that and have apologised for doing so, in all fairness I should have waited a little longer before posting but what with the news of the tax bill, Galea signing falling through I jumped straight in fearing the worst. As I said as I found out more facts regarding this then I held my hands up and admitted I was wrong
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| Quote ="stantrin"Could wakey play serbia in a pre season game.
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We'd only go and select him for Wakey!
On a serious note did he give any reason for not playing for Serbia?
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"I did jump in feet first, I admitted to that and have apologised for doing so, in all fairness I should have waited a little longer before posting but what with the news of the tax bill, Galea signing falling through I jumped straight in fearing the worst. As I said as I found out more facts regarding this then I held my hands up and admitted I was wrong
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No ones blaming you mate and in all fairness you were very quick to temper your initial reaction.
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| Quote ="J.T"On a serious note did he give any reason for not playing for Serbia?'"
pre booked holiday in USA
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| Thanks for the reply PB, but since the news has come out and no press release has come out (i now know this hasn't happened because all is not lost)
but people are bound to speculate, I am bound to wonder
Tbh id have thought stoz would have done everything in his power, but he might have other motives and therefore for everyone and myself who else is there to blame ? (why should anyone be blamed you may asked he was our best prop last year and a major blow)
I'll accept that there trying and they were successful in getting a decent player as he wasn't actually a coup imo when we first signed him.
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Is it worth emailing the Macedonian Embassy in London to try and speed up this horrible mess???
info@macedonianembassy.org.uk
Or does Stosic have to physically have to go in person to Macedonia for his passport, but as someone on here said, I also thought he had been to Macedonia for his passport earlier this year.
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Is it worth emailing the Macedonian Embassy in London to try and speed up this horrible mess???
info@macedonianembassy.org.uk
Or does Stosic have to physically have to go in person to Macedonia for his passport, but as someone on here said, I also thought he had been to Macedonia for his passport earlier this year.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"pre booked holiday in USA'"
Lads trip to vegas.
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Quote ="Thefeeling"Is it worth emailing the Macedonian Embassy in London to try and speed up this horrible mess???
info@macedonianembassy.org.uk
Or does Stosic have to physically have to go in person to Macedonia for his passport, but as someone on here said, I also thought he had been to Macedonia for his passport earlier this year.'"
He deffo 100% has been to macedonia without a doubt.
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info@macedonianembassy.org.uk
Or does Stosic have to physically have to go in person to Macedonia for his passport, but as someone on here said, I also thought he had been to Macedonia for his passport earlier this year.'"
He deffo 100% has been to macedonia without a doubt.
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| Quote ="mwildcats"Thanks for the reply PB, but since the news has come out and no press release has come out (i now know this hasn't happened because all is not lost)
but people are bound to speculate, I am bound to wonder
Tbh id have thought stoz would have done everything in his power, but he might have other motives and therefore for everyone and myself who else is there to blame ? (why should anyone be blamed you may asked he was our best prop last year and a major blow)
I'll accept that there trying and they were successful in getting a decent player as he wasn't actually a coup imo when we first signed him.'"
Come on lets be fair. This was a leak by a poster with good intentions the club can't be making press releases for every rumour that comes on here especially when things are still sensitive and things are going on in the background.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Come on lets be fair. This was a leak by a poster with good intentions the club can't be making press releases for every rumour that comes on here especially when things are still sensitive and things are going on in the background.'"
and also to be fair, im not one of the doom and slag the club off mob....but this looks farcical, and its not a rumour is it, it seems to be a fairly large lump of fact!
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| Quote ="Fordy"I really hope this is not correct.
We were looking good in the pack for next year but the loss of Stosic would hurt us I think.
How stupid are we going to look after the criticism of Cas' over Tony Martin if this is true.'"
Most wakey fans wont at all, a few will look very stupid but those in question have shown plenty of evidence of being so prior to this.
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| Quote ="chapster"and also to be fair, im not one of the doom and slag the club off mob....but this looks farcical, and its not a rumour is it, it seems to be a fairly large lump of fact!'"
Yes a player who gives a trip to USA priority instead of trying to sort his career and future out is extremely farcical.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Yes a player who gives a trip to USA priority instead of trying to sort his career and future out is extremely farcical.'"
what?????
are you telling me his arrival back this week was the first the club knew of this and had not kept abreast of the situation regarding one of its top proven assets?
not looking for an argument, but come on?????? as you say theres more to come no doubt but it does look a bit bad....and what is it at this club with bloody passports???
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| As much as we'll miss him as a player, I'm quite ambivalent about it, purely on the basis that he is neither Macedonian nor Serbian. His parentage might be, but he isn't actually from those countries. It's like expressing regret because we weren't able to bend the rules sufficiently.
That isn't a dig at the club, they are simply exploiting a daft loophole, but he is, in reality, an Aussie, who travelled to France on an (almost lost) Aussie passport, an Aussie that we aren't supposed to have under the quota system.
I hope he finds somewhere, and I hope it's with us, but the RFL should really look at these daft rules. It should be based on citizenship, not which passport someone can obtain.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"As much as we'll miss him as a player, I'm quite ambivalent about it, purely on the basis that he is neither Macedonian nor Serbian. His parentage might be, but he isn't actually from those countries. It's like expressing regret because we weren't able to bend the rules sufficiently.
That isn't a dig at the club, they are simply exploiting a daft loophole, but he is, in reality, an Aussie, who travelled to France on an (almost lost) Aussie passport, an Aussie that we aren't supposed to have under the quota system.
I hope he finds somewhere, and I hope it's with us, but the RFL should really look at these daft rules. It should be based on citizenship, not which passport someone can obtain.'"
He is a Kiwi isnt he? Not that it really matters. He is still not really qualified to come under the non quota system.
I despise clubs taking advantage of these loopholes and am glad that some are being caught out for the good of the game.
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| Wakefield Trinity despite being in my blood and the only (UK) rugby team I would ever support... in all the time I have supported them they are much better at this...
than running a rugby club!
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| I suppose this is the problem with the Internet. Someone hears something and posts it on here and all hell breaks loose. The problem is that we are not aware of the facts and have a knee jerk reaction and I'm guilty of that and for that I apologise but its due to the strong feelings we have for the Club we all love.
I am particularly sensitive as his sponsor and I feel a bit of a "Jonah" as everyone I sponsor (Davis, Solomona, Ferris) leave the club under a cloud.
If what has been said about Stoz having to obtain a Macedonian or Serbian passport are true and I have no reason to disbelieve them then Stoz must share some responsibility and work to resolve it.
I have been informed that Stoz is still a Trinity player and is training with the rest of the squad and that the Club are working on trying to obtain a passport with him and are hopeful of being successful and him playing with us next year.
I certainly hope we are successful in keeping him as I don't want to have to put the "kiss of death" on any more players.
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