Looked like 2 young lads who threw he flares, about 17/18 i'd say. One wearing a dark hoody who looked quite proud of himself for doing so. Couldn't tell whether they were Cas or wakey fans, although it came from the away end, there were quite a few Cas fans mingling

Mc on twitter says he as a photo of one of them

Can't see Cas fans throwing Red and Blue smoke bombs.

Ban em for life and involve the police; it's hugely irresponsible to throw smoke bombs in a crowd like that.

The cheering that went up from some in the Wakey end was inexplicable...

There were plenty of irritated fans too.
Very poor. Whatever they were thinking, it wasn't about the best interests of the club.

It would be the right thing to ban those who threw the flares as if the flares had hit someone they would have caused injuries. Just a shame there seemed to be trouble as well with some people being first class tools. Hopefully those too will be dealt with properly by whoever that may be and banned as neither club needs tools following who are like that.

Glad that you thought the colours of the flares thrown were colourful....but have you thought about what can happen when you get hit by a flare or is that of secondary importance as to the pretty colours

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You can't defend any idiot for throwing flares. Potentially very dangerous and could cost the club money we can ill afford to pay. It also takes the gloss off a very very good win.

Not good at all.

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Not defending it but they were not flares, some kind of limp smoke bomb. No way were they especially dangerous - however rules is rules and it's a 5 year ban for me for said throwers.

However considering how volatile this fixture has become is it not about time Cas moved into the modern world and segregated this game as we have. It's sad I know but we have bitten the bullet and I feel you should to. You have a group of idiots who place themselves at the Railway end purely to cause bother and our fools and those of other clubs are happy to oblige.

We don't have segregation any more though do we? I think we should but we don't.
Smoke bomb or flare doesn't really matter both are dangerous and not allowed in any RL stadia.

Before a fine can be imposed the idiot has to be identified and concrete evidence provided to prove the case regardless of which team they support, the coments indicating a wakefield supporter is pure conjecture at this stage.

Thought we did last year in this match?

Actually it does because one is an explosive device and one isn't and as such isn't as dangerous.

However I did make clear or I thought I did that it's no excuse and a ban for the offenders is in order

Smoke bombs aren't as explosive but they are still dangerous. They burn at high temperatures which can causes burns if you are hit by one, can cause panic when thrown leading to injury and are dangerous to people with asthma and breathing difficulties. Not as destructive as a flare initially maybe but still nasty enough that, as you say, the perpetrators shouldn't be seen in a rugby ground again for an awful long time.

The colour of the smoke and the timing of it gives it away. A Cas fan wouldn't take in smoke bombs in the colours of the rival team in the pure hope that they are able to celebrate a last gasp win and then taint that rival club by association, and ensure that there are no criticisms of Cas's stewarding and gate security. If we hadn't nicked it at the end, what would a Cas fan do with them? Play at being the Red Arrows by running up and down the Poundland car park with the streaming smoke?

As for the fighting, I wasn't there so I'm not commenting on it directly, but this fixture has become increasingly toxic over the years, and certainly during the franchising years, when the relationship between the clubs became like that. With Glover's 'recapture the North Stand" approach and the Cas man's, "oh no, you won't" response, and the constant race to get a stadium to stay in the league. We should be natural allies off the field, because we occupy a similar place in the eyes of the league, financially struggling and in old stadia.

Club statement on the issue. MC has already said he has some evidence and that it was Wakefield fans involved in the smoke bomb incident. The fighting seems to have been more 50-50 but that is no excuse i'm afraid.

[urlhttp://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news/2015/02/statement-castleford-incident[/url

I'm happy to get rid of our 50% of the 50-50.

that's as I saw it
All you could hear was the two said Cas fans gobbing off and threatening every one

The older cas fan hit the ground very hard as his punch misses and didn't get back up
The two Cas fans behaviour was awful

If you want to get drunk and fight go do it else where and do it

Segregation has got to be the only answer for big games like this, otherwise this is what happens. Would any of us go in the South Stand at Headingley ???...of course we wouldn't as we would likely get a good kicking, and you could say the same for most away grounds, so if Cas allow their home fans to stand in the away end at matches such as this, then I'm afraid this will always happen - fierce local derby, passionate fans, too much alcohol = recipe for trouble.
We need to make sure that this is avoided at Belle Vue for the return fixture, so segregation is the only way for me, for this game anyway !!

Very much so.

Indeed, as I say not excusing it but just pointing out that had it been a flare it could have been even worse.

Didn't see this particular incident but we had plenty of abuse coming out of the ground, Cas fans were trying to goad us into a scrap, one even had the audacity to call me a fat Barsteward! The cheek of the guy, gave him a nice smile then carried on walking, think that hurt him more than a punch.

It’s a sad say when you bring in segregation. The majority of fans can and do behave themselves. Why should the majority suffer because of a few idiots who can’t?

TBH fans should be able to stand/sit where they like and not be afraid they’ll get a kicking. 99/100 if you’re not acting like a dick you’ll be fine. I’ve stood in the sounthstand many times (I prefer the view from the sideline) and never once felt threatened despite being an away fan.

The answers for me would be the following, for games against teams where there has been trouble do the following:

1. Refuse entry to anyone who looks worse for wear with drink.
2. Do more bag searches for things like illicit cans, bottles, flares and smoke bombs – any found will be confiscated – obvs flasks don’t apply!
3. Have more stewards on duty in the ground and have more proper rozzers on hand. Anyone chucked out for being in trouble gets a season long ban. Anyone arrested and convicted is banned for good.

Timing of the smoke bombs (not flares, jesus christ) was poor. But the reaction has been blown way out of proportion. To ban the young lads from the sport 'worldwide' is pathetic! A bit of smoke burnt for around 10 seconds and didn't cause anyone any bother. No harm done.

I can't believe that some wakefield 'fans' are on here to have a whinge rather than celebrate a derby win!

That unfortunately is the issue John. You and some others don't see why there is a problem with fans throwing smoke bombs on the field.

It would be a shame if we had to segregate it next year but if it stops idiots being themselves and trying to fight other teams fans then it may have to be so. We do have some idiots and I wish they'd go forth and multiply elsewhere such as playing near overhead cables with a steel bar.