2nd game in and we are relegation foder ,utta garbage

So are Leeds and Huddersfield.

Got to agree, we Deffo going finish bottom but unless MR Carter has the bas to sack smith can't see even getting out jail this time. And only 2 games in....

Wakey were always going to be bottom 4 so what is the big surprise. All Wakey can do is hope Leigh implode and Bradford follow them. Otherwise, it is only a matter of time before one of those two replace Wakey or the RFL get fed up with them offering nothing to SL and re-introduce automatic P&R. This isn't a trolling comment but common sense. They need to improve massively or it will / should be their time to drop down a tier.

The worst thing for me is that our last tackle options are just an absolute joke. Time and time again we end up with a second rower caught in possession on the last tackle and it's just such a basic thing to be getting consistently wrong. If we can't even get the basics right then what chance have we got with anything else?

That's a fair enough and well put comment. I was hoping we would be more competitive this year, but since he pre season win at Headingley our intensity and performance levels have plummeted at an alarming rate (again).

Agree 100%. We are contributing nothing to the league. Anyone could see our back line needed a complete rebuild yet we sign props and back rowers. I now regret buying my membership, was going to give up after last year but thought we'd be better not worse!

Some signings like England appear to have played well and he played big minutes today but some others are not having the impact that when they were signed was expected. Think Trinity also lack a quality half back.

It's telling that 2nd game in and Walton who trialled for a contract a few weeks ago is playing interchange second row ahead of seasoned SL players...

Bit early for relegation talk, although that wasn't good today. England was our best again but the rest were in the main ineffective and our halfbacks woeful. Although FWIW i think we will beat Hull KR next week given all their injuries.

I'm disappointed too and yes changes are needed but we are only 2 games in. Let's see how things play out.

Most disappointing is how the half backs are playing. Need to be better

The first game was always going to be tough and this was always a potential bad one. It's a long season. This time last year we were two for two and flying. Then we went to Widnes and we were rubbish for the rest of the year. Let's see how we are a few more games down the line.

The quality and depth at 6 and 7 was always a concern. Miller is a poor half and Finn is an average Joe who seems to be ineffective in a poor side. Still Cas are a top six club Trinity are a bottom four club so the result was to be expected. Dragons at home is the next key match.

We need a bloody good scrum half ,a little general

So anyway, joint 9th.
Not a bad start really

Could be worse..... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/35536012 www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league ... ague/table

Could be worse..... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/35536012 www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league ... ague/table

Me and my m8 are now regreting getting a membership ,pure crap

In fairness to Miller and Finn, not a lot they could do when our pack was being so dominated. You need your pack to carry the piano so the half backs can play it. Their HBs had sooo much more time on the ball, hence the pinpoint kicks that kept us pegged back in our own 20 and dropping out.

Our half backs is where the problem is. I actually think the forwards are holding their own but Finn/Miller is not working early doors. Finn is not a leader and Miller is trying to do too much and getting caught in position or just making the wrong decisions.

Last tackle plays were basic today. How many times gale created that extra man was embarrassing and that was pure speed and good half play. Habsburg did the same to us last week too.

our halves have been none existent in both games so far and the game vs KR is vital. The speed at which gale and Roberts moved the ball made us look like an amateur team at times.

I thought Lynne needs credit today. Let in 2 try's sure but he was left exposed a number of times and was put under a lot of pressure especially second half.

One final note, why are we playing 3 props? One on the bench? England should not be doing 50 minutes from scratch. Its not working.

Id be tempted to throw hall in at 7 next week

Hope to god we come out and show up at HKR next week

Luke dorn and gale cut us to ribbons, and as like the friendly 2 weeks ago they identified how poor our defence was on the wings,
Miller was absolute shocking, in fact he wasn't that good, cas identified Finn was past it, those 2 need splitting as a partnership,

England was our best player by a mile, crunching tackle on Andy lynch after playing nearly 50 mins, straight, and when he did go off the flood gates opened, you need 4 quality props scruton and Anderson need to step up as both just don't look bothered, playing England for 70 mins every week he's going to get injured, take him out of the pack, and we lose a proper grafter and God forbid it could get worse,

Cas will again be around 4-5 place, and what's been going on elsewhere a win at KR and it won't look too bad after round 3

You're right things would look a lot better with a win at hkr next week . But......what have you seen so far that makes that even a remote possibility?

fair point, well presented,, I can only hope that they pull together as a team and realise how much they need to up there game,

I would put England as Capt, bring in Hall Tansey Malloy a few changes too at least try something different,,

it looks like BS is trying to put in a system that our forwards just cant get their heads around. The props are running at 2nd or 3rd receiver? instead of getting the short ball and making quick yards and a quick PTB, but our passing is so slow that they are being hit as soon as the ball gets there. at the moment we are not getting on the front foot at all so the halfbacks are always going to struggle. Hopefully it clicks soon or we go back to a simpler gameplan until it does because its a shambles right now.

To get a win, you have to score points, and from what I saw last week and have heard about todays inept performance, then we will do well to get in double figures.
HKR will be looking to smash us

We've only been this bad for the last couple of seasons as we've concentrated on sorting our debts out, we've been fairly competitive before and will be again.

We should be looking to smash them and reckon we will.