IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT
NO DISCIPLINE
NO SENSIBLE TACTICS
NO THOUGHT AT ALL
3rd YEAR IN CHARGE
NOTHING ANY BETTER
GO!!!!

Playing with 16 men again. Clearly haven't learnt from last season...

He put Walshaw on at prop!!! then took him off after less than 10 minutes after he knocked on. Must have been trying to make him the scapegoat when Lyne has played 80 minutes and looked like neither a winger or a rugby player in every one of those minutes. Surely Agar must have seen that Lyne isn't up to scratch by now?

On the face of it it sounds like a knee jerk thread but Agar is still only an assistant coach at best.

+1 from me.

Yep - all of the above

Lyne made that ridiculous knock on that led to a try, but other than that he was one of your best players imo. Carried the ball strongly when clearing his line, not his fault you couldn't manufacture 1 single opportunity to give him the ball.

I thought your worst was Godinet. He seemed capable of making a mess of even the simplest of plays, and his kicking game was even worse, not that we got to see many kicks given all the knock ons

As for Agar, the similarities between this Wakefield team and the Hull team of 5 or 6 years ago is striking. Agar is obviously still making the same mistakes and I think if you don't pull the trigger soon it might be a long season.

Give me strength. 2nd game for God's Sake!

Surely it's about the 56th? In the league anyway. To be fair tonight there were so many individual errors it's hard to blame Agar but I'm not optimistic about what we face this season

Can't blame Agar for the individual errors made tonight however I don't and never have rated him as a head coach. I'd replace him tomorrow but there are two issues. One we couldn't afford to sake him (2 year contract extension? WTF?) and two who is available who could replace him. As a punt Morrison could've been an option, at least one would imagine some of the home grown kids would get a fair chance under his stewardship. I just hope Walshaw isn't going to get 'Cowlinged'.

Agar in for me, and if he's out who do we replace him with? Can we afford to pay him off?

Come on people, lets be realistic.

Beat me to it!

Wonder what it will take to bring JD or GM back? At least they would motivate the players as they understand the club, Agar has always been the wrong person ever since he set foot through the door. So many fans didn't want him in the first place but no, the club back then didn't listen to the fans. How he has treated Cowling, Kaye, matty Wildie and even Dale Morton and James Davey is nothing short of despicable. Lyne is crap everyone else can see it but he can't. As for his post match interviews he says the same thing over and over again that someone could Agar bingo.

So Agar who is only the 3rd coach to get us to the playoffs with a makeshift side (all be it with a little luck) is 2games into a new season with a team put together in a month maybe 2 month having 3 of those players arrive less than a fortnight ago and already playing 2 games in a new country with a completely different climate/conditions and a 4th player to come in and try fit into a squad that MAY of had 3 days prep for the 2nd game needs to leave?????


I see your point I'll sharpen my pitchfork

2nd game in 4 days and we should have freshened it up a little.
Anderson, Godinet and Ryan all played 6 days after stepping off the plane with only a couple of training session with the rest of the team then have to back up again 4 days later. Sammutt brought into team after probably 2 or 3 sessions with team.
Last night should have been a chance to give Wild ie some time and probably Rich Moore. They have trained with the team all winter and should at least know the plays.

Even if you had to play the team we did last night, having to start one way then move 3 players around positionally to accommodate Sammutt coming on makes no sense to me.

Gutted that we've now lost 2 games that were in theory winnable, given the importance of this season that is massive.
Next up is Wigan away and even if they're still jetlagged they'll destroy a team that performs like we did last night.
Then Catalans at home which is tricky but is now a MUST win.
Then London away. What's the betting we break their duck (again)

Utterly depressed so I'm off to work now.

How many times did Agar knock the ball on and how many penalties did he give away ?
Sorry folks, I don't think we should bag the coach for this one.
Our discipline was poor but, the handling was shocking.
What was our completion rate, 30-40% ?
Until we can complete our sets, we wont win any games.
We appeared to suffer more than Bradford, from the quick turnaround in fixtures but, those calling for Agar's head need to have a quiet word with themselves.

The game was awful, between 2 poor teams but, we need to support the coach and the players and the club and not throw the teddy out, just because we've had a bad game.

Agar will never deliver anything other than disappointment.....agreed he cant be blamed for dropped balls and penaltys etc, but the bloke couldnt do anything at Hull with unlimited funds and some of his recruitment is a joke. He has no time for the young kids and has all but cleared out some very good kids produced by the club. He will go for the second rate Aussie every day of the week.
As for getting rid...not a chance !! while ever Hetherington is here that wont happen, they were calling for his head for 3 years at Hull and it was only when Pearson came in that it happened....also to give him a 3 year contract....that says it all really...he is here to stay get used to it !

Whether Agar is your choice of coach or not he was NOT to blame for last nights defeat! Just about the whole team underperformed!
How the hell can you coach it into a player to prevent a try like the last Bradford try - schoolboy errors by THE PLAYERS!
The team looked like they didn't know each other.
One or two of the imports didn't look sharp enough but I will be more concerned if we've played 6 lost 6. No panic yet lets hope last nights match was the worst performance of the season - and all teams have those.

Agar set the tone over the last couple of weeks by refusing to accept that we are in a relegation battle. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of RL knows that London and us have very very poor squads. We are in a battle to avoid relegation and the coach and players need to grasp that fact, we should set our stall out to play a simple game, fight for every inch, backs to the wall etc etc. No mistakes rugby, no rugby in our own half etc etc. Instead our players believe they can play rugby, the evidence is there for all to see that this is not the case. The coach needs to ensure that the players biy into a relegation battle and understand what is required.

No Agar isn't to blame for the mistakes and the lateness of the players arriving but..

He is responsible for picking Ryan way out of position.
He is responsible for playing with 16 men for most of the game.
He is responsible for then giving Walshaw less than 10 mins at prop.
He is responsible for not having a field training session on wednesday when we are desperate for practise time together.
He is responsible for not just instructing the players to play a simple gameplan given our lack of time together and the conditions.
He is responsible for not freshening up the team where he could with two matches so close together. Briscoe, Trout, Wildie etc could have played.
He is responsible for continually picking Lyne, a player not up to superleague standard.
He is responsible for putting Sammut on the bench then having to reorganise the team mid-game to accomodate him
He is responsible for our only set move being fling it to Ali on the charge. There are enough players there from last season to be able to make the calls.
He is, at least partly, responsible for allowing our best goalkicker and one of our best two centres to leave just before the season started. We have now kicked just two from five attempts.

So Agar has to take his share of the blame. Now is not the time to get rid but neither should he be untouchable if things don't improve quickly.

We rushed Sammut in. Should have kept with Sundays team. Sammut a big player to bring in only had one training session. Can't blame Agar for the individual errors but tactically we were a shambles last night. Last year our best team in many a year and best we could muster was 10th.We Will get better I am happy to give Agar another 6 games

Demonstrates some of the problems at Belle Vue. In six months we've gone from a threat to our existence to building a squad that on paper is equal to last seasons. No one will defend last nights performance, it was scrappy, error riddled and instantly forgettable. We probably over performed at Salford and we're unlucky not to get something out of the game and last nights game probably came too early. Two SL matches in five days is difficult at the start of the season when players aren't fully match fit. Let's be realistic, Four of the squad have been here less than two weeks, all in key positions, it will take time. Sammut was a gamble last night, it didn't come off with hindsight Wildie might have been a better option. Considering all that's gone on at Belle Vue Agar has put together a decent squad having lost and replaced a third of his first team. Godinet, Sammut and McShane are all good players in key positions give them time and they will come good. Agar is not a miracle worker, give him time to work with the players before this nonsense.

This.

I am sorry but Agar out is a stupid thing to say. It is not his fault that players were dropping balls left right and centre.

The structure of the defence in the last couple of games has been very good which is something that they must have worked on in pre season.

You also have to consider that 4 of our players have had less than a handful of training sessions with the team and Agar needs to be given chance to coach his team.

If we are still playing like we did last night after 10 games then maybe we may have to consider Agar out but I believe that we will get much better in the next few games.

Yes, yesterdays performance was dire, and Agar has to take some of the flak for this, but the errors we made were schoolboy, and only the players themselves can put that right.

Like others have said, our squad has only been together for a few weeks, whilst others have had all the winter. We started slowly in 2012, but finished strongly.

What I don't understand with Agar is the constant selection of Lyne obviously, but he has said he wants another front line prop, why?. We already have Anderson, Smith, Raleigh, Moore, Tautai and Shulver.

Personally, I think we need a good centre for the left, who is not coming towards the end of his career, but someone with several games under his belt. Sykes is too slow now, Lyne, Keinhorst and Briscoe don't have that much experience. Maybe an experienced centre could bring out the best in the younger backs such as Briscoe and Lynne.

Agar has a 3 year contract...We can't afford to sack him

That simple

Yes what a great coaching idea.... I can see it now..

"Lads I've put this team together on a small budget and I'm glad you've come. We are relegation fodder and everyone knows it so lets go out there and just try avoid relegation....yes? You understand??? Kirmo stop tickling Ali and sit still! Right so we are all agreed that the media is right and we have no potential....great now let's go to costa"

Your bitterness and pessimism seems to have overwhelmed your senses. Granted it's not a title winning team but it's more than adequate to avoid relegation and you know it.

Why we end up shooting ourselves in the the foot like last night I don't really know - what I do know is your relentless bagging of our teams season after season is getting beyond tedious and most times you are proved utterly wrong so your knowledge of the game MMHO is VERY highly questionable.