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| "The Council has given each club assets to a value of £2m ,subject to a review in September to ascertain the progress made in respect of both planning permission and a robust financial plan being in place. We have also offered officer support. That position has not changed.
"In September, a decision will be made as to whether the £2m facility should be extended. I expect that offer will remain on the table. However, in view of the Council 's budget position, no further financial help will be available from the Council beyond the £2m offer.
"We want to support Rugby League across the district. It is part of our heritage, we are proud of our clubs and want to see them do well. But I can only stress that it is not the core business of this Council - or indeed any council - to determine where Rugby League clubs play. That must be a matter for the clubs alone."
So weve been through all that e for nothing to have changed, apart from the fact that they may call in the land in september.
What a load of
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| Quote ="ambernotyeller""The Council has given each club assets to a value of £2m ,subject to a review in September to ascertain the progress made in respect of both planning permission and a robust financial plan being in place. We have also offered officer support. That position has not changed.
"In September, a decision will be made as to whether the £2m facility should be extended. I expect that offer will remain on the table. However, in view of the Council 's budget position, no further financial help will be available from the Council beyond the £2m offer.
"We want to support Rugby League across the district. It is part of our heritage, we are proud of our clubs and want to see them do well. But I can only stress that it is not the core business of this Council - or indeed any council - to determine where Rugby League clubs play. That must be a matter for the clubs alone."
So weve been through all that poop for nothing to have changed, apart from the fact that they may call in the land in september.
What a load of rubbish'"
So Mr Box is a bellend afterall??
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| What does he mean not to determine where the clubs play so give Newmarket the nod and lets get on with the bugger then!
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"What does he mean not to determine where the clubs play so give Newmarket the nod and lets get on with the bugger then!'"
Your best post ever!
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| Simple way to look at it. Its been sat on their desk the plans since february lets get this moving.
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| is it me or does the wording seem slightly defensive?
as if after his previous statement in the WE (and subsequent meeting and counter statements) that he/they have been told not to interfere with the stadium locations and get on with running the district.
good news though, at least everyone's postion is clear now
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"What does he mean not to determine where the clubs play so give Newmarket the nod and lets get on with the bugger then!'"
Correct. Give the Outline Consent and a detailed application for the stadium and infrastructure can be submitted and we can get on with it. Could even start building Spring/Summer 2011.
And before anyone says there will be a Public Inquiry which will put is back 12 months or more there wont be (IMO). The current Government will NOT spend time and money on a PI, they will leave the decision to Wakefield MDC.
So Wakefield MDC, its up to you, do you want a Community Stadium for the benefit of the Wakefield District or not - its up to you.
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| rRE: The Statement from Wakefield Council.
I am starting to feel more relaxed again now, looks like Wakey did what they did to get Box and themselves out of a sticky situation in regards to the feasibility study, as it would clearly have shown that Cas Stadium was light years ahead and the best option by far, so by wakey doing what they did on Sunday, it stopped the whole process from making Wakey look rubbish and also saved Box from looking like he was trying to show the Wakey scheme up in light of all the contraversy over his connections with the Tigers.......Hmm must have been an interesting meeting last week!!
Does this mean that all these Wakey fans on here can stop doing cart wheels because they think my beloved Cas tigers were looking into an Abyss ............. Yes i think so!!
Now you Pussy cats can go and get depressed about how Garbage your team is at this moment in time without any other distractions.
Who to.....who to be ..........Who to be a CAS FAN!!!!!!
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| =#0040FFPart of statement in Wakey Express 16-07-2010
But yesterday, council leader Peter Box revealed the £4m worth of financial support would not be available to the clubs from September, unless they could agree to share a home.
And yesterday councillor Box said: "In the circumstances in which we now find ourselves, losing £70m from our schools building programme, losing more millions from highways, the business case for one single stadium is overwhelming.
"Both clubs acknowledge that there is a real need for urgency especially with the next round of Super League franchises coming up in 2011.
"I believe that both clubs can share aground without losing their own identities."
=#FF0000Part of statement today 27-07-2010
Cllr Peter Box, Leader of Wakefield Council, said he had written to both Wakefield Trinity Wildcats and Castleford Tigers, making it clear that it is not part of the Council's core business to determine where rugby league clubs play.
"The Council has given each club assets to a value of £2m,subject to a review in September to ascertain the progress made in respect of both planning permission and a robust financial plan being in place. We have also offered officer support. That position has not changed.
"In September, a decision will be made as to whether the £2m facility should be extended. I expect that offer will remain on the table. However, in view of the Council 's budget position, no further financial help will be available from the Council beyond the £2m offer.
So in the space of eleven days we have a total u-turn.
What a bunch of wasters they are at W.M.D.C, a great way to treat the people who employ them.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Correct. Give the Outline Consent and a detailed application for the stadium and infrastructure can be submitted and we can get on with it. Could even start building Spring/Summer 2011.
And before anyone says there will be a Public Inquiry which will put is back 12 months or more there wont be (IMO). The current Government will NOT spend time and money on a PI, they will leave the decision to Wakefield MDC.
So Wakefield MDC, its up to you, do you want a Community Stadium for the benefit of the Wakefield District or not - its up to you.'"
Absolutely; calling in for a PI would be totally counterintuitive to the Con-Dem's stated aim to reduce government interference in local issues. It would also be very expensive. For both those reasons, I really can't see it happening.
Considering where we are now, I'd say WMDC now have a duty to fast-track the planning and get the whole thing moving; if they continue to drag their heels, they could potentially cost the district much needed sporting facilities and employment opportunities, both coming at no cost to the districts council tax payers.
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| I hope both teams can now crack on and get the stadiums built and keep the SL lisences for a very long time.
Then in 2012 or whatever we can have a monumental derby in front of 15000 at Glasshoughton or Newmarket on good friday and show that this area can sustain 2 SL teams!!
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| A winning team always attracts/holds on to fans so the fact that you were winning each week in NL1 was a major factor. I note that you are now losing fans due to the early season indifferent form. Fans are very fickle - winning is everything.
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| Quote ="tigersteve"I hope both teams can now crack on and get the stadiums built and keep the SL lisences for a very long time.
Then in 2012 or whatever we can have a monumental derby in front of 15000 at Glasshoughton or Newmarket on good friday and show that this area can sustain 2 SL teams!!'"
Ooh a decent Cas fan ...
Totally agree.
You are showing up the Outwood Embarrasment Tiger. Give him a nudge will you?
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| neither club will get a new ground,ive heard it all before
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| Sad state of affairs for both clubs but particularly so for Wakey.
Cas have outline planning permission for a stadium in a superb location with excellent transport links but not enough money to see it through.
Wakey have an application in for outline permission - an application which breaks just about every rule in the book:
In the green belt - that will change I hear some say as 95 hectares needs to be released in Wakey for development. This site alone would provide almost the whole of that 95 hectares - 95 hectares which is not needed until 2021 as there's plenty of existing around to meet demand until then.
Depends on 1. warehousing - plenty vacant around already; 2. offices - presumption is they should be built in the city centre which, last time I looked, Newmarket Lane isn't; 3. hotel - same comments as offices.
Transport - two buses an hour pass the site and the bus company state they won't put more on or divert existing services into the site. No rail. Insufficient parking. Too far to walk.
12 pages of objections last time I looked, including from pretty much every statutory undertaker.
It ticks every 'fail' box on the planners list except one - exceptional circumstances. It would be a travesty, on planning grounds, if the Planning and Highways Committee allowed that to be the over-riding factor when the stadium would occupy such a small part of the site. If they do then it will undoubtedly go to a public enquiry.
I wish both clubs well but, with the current state of affairs, I can only see one franchise in the area next time around.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"neither club will get a new ground,ive heard it all before'"
And so have I, about an hour ago when me mam was putting the tea out, and then about 10 minutes after that and then again 10 mins after that
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Quote ="deeHell"I read the council statement to read that the £2m land loans are up for review in September and hinting that they will be withdrawn. This statement from the club wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2010/07/stadium-update/ suggest otherwise!
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Not so sure as to why they'd have to withdraw in sept. The council aren't spending money by offering both sides a loan. Neither borrowing against it themselves or selling it are likely solutions to their own possible shortfall post-spending review, so it would make little difference. What they are covering themselves in the event they did have to pull the loan, as well as making it clear that they are very unlikely to be in a position to give financial help beyond that.
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Not so sure as to why they'd have to withdraw in sept. The council aren't spending money by offering both sides a loan. Neither borrowing against it themselves or selling it are likely solutions to their own possible shortfall post-spending review, so it would make little difference. What they are covering themselves in the event they did have to pull the loan, as well as making it clear that they are very unlikely to be in a position to give financial help beyond that.
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| Quote ="Beetnik"Sad state of affairs for both clubs but particularly so for Wakey.
Cas have outline planning permission for a stadium in a superb location with excellent transport links but not enough money to see it through.
Wakey have an application in for outline permission - an application which breaks just about every rule in the book:
In the green belt - that will change I hear some say as 95 hectares needs to be released in Wakey for development. This site alone would provide almost the whole of that 95 hectares - 95 hectares which is not needed until 2021 as there's plenty of existing around to meet demand until then.
Depends on 1. warehousing - plenty vacant around already; 2. offices - presumption is they should be built in the city centre which, last time I looked, Newmarket Lane isn't; 3. hotel - same comments as offices.
Transport - two buses an hour pass the site and the bus company state they won't put more on or divert existing services into the site. No rail. Insufficient parking. Too far to walk.
12 pages of objections last time I looked, including from pretty much every statutory undertaker.
It ticks every 'fail' box on the planners list except one - exceptional circumstances. It would be a travesty, on planning grounds, if the Planning and Highways Committee allowed that to be the over-riding factor when the stadium would occupy such a small part of the site. If they do then it will undoubtedly go to a public enquiry.
I wish both clubs well but, with the current state of affairs, I can only see one franchise in the area next time around.'"
I'd like to say we look forward to you coming to NM, but after your post I dont think I'll bother, thanks for your time and your concern anyway
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| Thanks Beetnik, when we get our franchise you're more than welcome to come share buddy!
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| "I'm sure this thread was a lot longer the last time I looked."
The thread is about the council statement, not number of fans knob measuring contests or paternity issues in the outlying districts of our famous city.
Now play nice, people.
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| Glad the club called Box's bluff. Can you imagine what would've happened if they heeded the empty threat?!
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"GET THE BUGGER BUILT'"
It's catchy. I like it. Ladies and gentlemen, we have our slogan.
SWAG...
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"It's catchy. I like it. Ladies and gentlemen, we have our slogan.
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