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| I know this may seem like a ludicrous statement but I firmly believe brough should offer more to us. Today he had 2 great opportunities to take on the defence near their line but passed the ball instaed. Everybody raves about him but when was the last time he played well for us and is he consistent enough, i just dont know!! Our pack muscled up well today against a very good forward line but we did not create enough.
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| Quote ="mark73"I know this may seem like a ludicrous statement but I firmly believe brough should offer more to us. Today he had 2 great opportunities to take on the defence near their line but passed the ball instaed. Everybody raves about him but when was the last time he played well for us and is he consistent enough, i just dont know!! Our pack muscled up well today against a very good forward line but we did not create enough.'"
thats because Drew is our playmaker
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| overrated to what extent, hes a great kicking game most of the time, hel have a go in defence, does he create lots, maybe not but who does these days in sl, its like a chess match with teams concerned about territory hence 5 drives and a kick rugby from most teams. who would you replace him with, if we get rid of players it should only be with who jk thinks is better. the lad can play we need a settled 6 at the side of him then you might see a better db.
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| Quote ="feline"thats because Drew is our playmaker'"
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| Quote ="mark73"I know this may seem like a ludicrous statement but I firmly believe brough should offer more to us. Today he had 2 great opportunities to take on the defence near their line but passed the ball instaed. Everybody raves about him but when was the last time he played well for us and is he consistent enough, i just dont know!! Our pack muscled up well today against a very good forward line but we did not create enough.'"
hull two games ago. he's not up playing for saints/leeds ala pryce/burrow as some rumours would have it but he's best of the rest imo
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| Quote ="Wakey_Til_I_Die"I agree, where was Drew today?'" sat on the bench injured
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| I agree we need a class stand off a la our friends down the lane, rangi chase has made a huge diffference to them. But would that make a difference to brough's game. yes he has a good kicking game but were has the off the cuff stuff gone that used to unlock defences/ I think he is a good scrum hafl but needs to offer more consistecy to his all round game.
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| i prob going to get shot down on this but n mind, i still find it strange we let jamie rooney go to barrow knowing we havent got a better stand off at the club inmho, he didnt paly bad in his last 2 games imo i understand there going to be a clear out at end of season and hope we are in market for a stand off, just not sure tony martin is answer for rest of season, but hey what do i know
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| I agree with you griswold great support player and been somewhat suppressed since the arrival of Danny Brough, although he has been injured for most of the season. Jamie has an excellent kicking game and we need to keep him, maybe on a reduced contract. I would rather see jamie play a british lad and let Obst go.
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| Had a poor game today but has put in some massive performances this year.
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| yes but he only seems to play when he wants please let me know when those massive performances have been. He didn't start the season when we were playing well.
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| Quote ="mark73"yes but he only seems to play when he wants please let me know when those massive performances have been. He didn't start the season when we were playing well.'"
Hull as already mentioned and others that my vodka addled brain struggles to remember! Who are the stand out replacements should we get rid?
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| it depends if other clubs have the money to pay for him, if the deal is right as the rumours suggest then maybe but if not kear needs more from him in every game.
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| Quote ="mark73"it depends if other clubs have the money to pay for him, if the deal is right as the rumours suggest then maybe but if not kear needs more from him in every game.'"
how many scrum halfs for wakey are able to 'do it' every game? it's more complex than that. teams like leeds and saints generally dominate both possession and field position and so their halfs are in a position where they are playing off the front foot. brough doesn't have that luxury, you could put lockyer in and there would be some games where he would be inefffectual.
more to the point consistency is what makes players like brough be at the top teams rather than with us
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| Quote ="feline"thats because Drew is our playmaker'"
Is he? What our only one?
He is fantastic but to state HE IS OUR PLAYMAKER is rather one dimensional and if he was signed and expected to do the business every game then the coaching staff got it seriously wrong!
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| Well I thought our pack showed up very well today so dont see were you are coming from Brough had 2 great opportunities to take on the deefence near ther line but for some reson did not do so and thus resulted in a turnover!! A good kicking game does not make you the complete player.
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| Quote ="mark73"Well I thought our pack showed up very well today so dont see were you are coming from Brough had 2 great opportunities to take on the deefence near ther line but for some reson did not do so and thus resulted in a turnover!! A good kicking game does not make you the complete player.'"
They did play well but Brough had a poor game by his high standards. I don't think beating him over a bad performance is constructive or fair. He has more than a kicking game as he has shown on many occassions.
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| Quote ="danielcat"Is he? What our only one?
He is fantastic but to state HE IS OUR PLAYMAKER is rather one dimensional and if he was signed and expected to do the business every game then the coaching staff got it seriously wrong!'"
Ok I like Broughy, Obst & Martin and even Scully who can all set up plays etc but we play better when Drew is on the pitch.
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| Quote ="feline"Ok I like Broughy, Obst & Martin and even Scully who can all set up plays etc but we play better when Drew is on the pitch.'"
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| Quote ="feline"Ok I like Broughy, Obst & Martin and even Scully who can all set up plays etc but we play better when Drew is on the pitch.'"
I agree but it almost came across as building a team around him!
He is quality, and should if possible be here next season (dont bother telling us where he's going thanks folks)
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| Quote ="danielcat"Is he? What our only one?
He is fantastic but to state HE IS OUR PLAYMAKER is rather one dimensional and if he was signed and expected to do the business every game then the coaching staff got it seriously wrong!'"
He is our only playmaker, it doesn't take a genius to see that without him, we struggle to unlock the opposing teams defensive strategies.
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| too me we are very one dimensional without drew playing he controls most things from dummy half
when he doesnt play we obviously miss him i think brough is a great player but doesnt stamp his authority on the game to me he should be getting the ball and trying to create and spread the play from the 3rd tackle onwards but more often than not we are taking 5 drives and he gets the ball to kick downfield.
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| it was clear yesterday that if they shut down broughy they would limit our attacking options
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| Quote ="snowie"it was clear yesterday that if they shut down broughy they would limit our attacking options'"
Indeed, without Drew then he is the only one who can do any kind of playmaking at all - reminds me of when we just had Solo who could do this and the opposition shut him down all the time.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Indeed, without Drew then he is the only one who can do any kind of playmaking at all - reminds me of when we just had Solo who could do this and the opposition shut him down all the time.'" I remember watching leeds against bradford when Lesley Vainikolo was their biggest threat, they kept kicking behind him and making play the ball all the time, they literally eliminated him out of the game due to him being exhausted
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