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| Just wanna say his goalkicking is sensational. Brilliant display today. Well done Max!!
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| Olpherts certainly didn't make the goal kicking role any easier for him, but thanks very much for both of them today.
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| Agree with the posts, I would like to add the quality of his cut out passes & early along the attacking line in accuracy & speed , it reminds me of Wally Lewis, but Wally had a lot more vision etc.
Onwards & upwards, up the trin !
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| Quote ="Start@1873"Agree with the posts, I would like to add the quality of his cut out passes & early along the attacking line in accuracy & speed , it reminds me of Wally Lewis, but Wally had a lot more vision etc.
Onwards & upwards, up the trin !'"
Come on. I like Max a lot but come on.
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| Max has now scored 264 points this season, a greaterer tally than the clubs ranked 8-14 in the championship table
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| The way he's going most goals and points in a season will be broken. Records that have stood for over 60 years. We may be watching history in the making.
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| Max will be Englands full back in a few short years imho.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Max will be Englands full back in a few short years imho.'"
He’s 27, I think for international honours he’s facing a up hill battle, especially with welsby playing there. I do However think that a drop to the championship will have given his confidence a huge boost. He’s clearly a good FB who is SL standard playing in the championship.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"He’s 27, I think for international honours he’s facing a up hill battle, especially with welsby playing there. I do However think that a drop to the championship will have given his confidence a huge boost. He’s clearly a good FB who is SL standard playing in the championship.'"
Full backs don’t hit their best until 29-33 or so. Players like Coote. 27 is young for a full back and his best years are now coming up where all that experience can be utilised.
I struggle to see what English full back other than Max there will be competition wise.
Wellby gets the nod with his running game mainly but in terms of full back play rather than individualism I’d say Max is the better player. A player who can create space and pass like Jowitt would go very well on the international stage imho. Whether he gets the chance we will see I guess.
There’s very little competition in that position to be honest and it wouldn’t take much for Jowitt to get into the set up over next few years if he keeps on as he is.
I mean when you’ve got some of the players listed getting a call up like this week it’s certainly possible.
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| I think Max would have to have a worldy of a season in SL to displace Welsby.
And although he is doing amazing and will undoubtedly break records, he isn't playing at the same level that those records were set.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I think Max would have to have a worldy of a season in SL to displace Welsby.
And although he is doing amazing and will undoubtedly break records, he isn't playing at the same level that those records were set.'"
I think Welsby is a good player, but I don`t subscribe to this idea that he is a world beater, but that`s just me. I saw Wells saying a couple of months back that he thought he was the best fullback in world rugby, which is beyond ludicrous for me.
I have have often thought, I wonder if you would have put Max in the sides that Welsby has come through playing in, how he would look, I`m not sure there would be a great deal of difference in how good a player he would look.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"Full backs don’t hit their best until 29-33 or so. Players like Coote. 27 is young for a full back and his best years are now coming up where all that experience can be utilised.
I struggle to see what English full back other than Max there will be competition wise.
Wellby gets the nod with his running game mainly but in terms of full back play rather than individualism I’d say Max is the better player. A player who can create space and pass like Jowitt would go very well on the international stage imho. Whether he gets the chance we will see I guess.
There’s very little competition in that position to be honest and it wouldn’t take much for Jowitt to get into the set up over next few years if he keeps on as he is.
I mean when you’ve got some of the players listed getting a call up like this week it’s certainly possible.'"
Don’t agree with Fb’s hit their prime late 20’s early 30, you’ve either got it or you haven’t…. the NRL provides perfect examples of that. England’s Fb for the last decade consistently has been Tomkins and was way better earlier than latter in his career. I hope Max gets a call up, I really do but Wane will have his opinion on him and unfortunately that’s what matters.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"I think Welsby is a good player, but I don`t subscribe to this idea that he is a world beater, but that`s just me. I saw Wells saying a couple of months back that he thought he was the best fullback in world rugby, which is beyond ludicrous for me.
I have have often thought, I wonder if you would have put Max in the sides that Welsby has come through playing in, how he would look, I`m not sure there would be a great deal of difference in how good a player he would look.'"
To describe Welsby as the best FB in the world is just ridiculous. He should have took a contract down under to see if he could match it, like Dodd has. I can genuinely think of at least 8 FB’s in the NRL that are head and shoulders better than him. What lets Max down massively is his 1 on 1 defence. I genuinely think he has the attacking flair of a quality FB, but his defence at times is lacking for a top quality FB. Just my opinion of course.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"To describe Welsby as the best FB in the world is just ridiculous. He should have took a contract down under to see if he could match it, like Dodd has. I can genuinely think of at least 8 FB’s in the NRL that are head and shoulders better than him. What lets Max down massively is his 1 on 1 defence. I genuinely think he has the attacking flair of a quality FB, but his defence at times is lacking for a top quality FB. Just my opinion of course.'"
That’s Jowitts only part of his game that lets him down slightly. However he does pull out the occasional try saver on the line too.
Every other part of his full back play is bob on.
Who other than Welsby in SL would you swap him with as a player elegible for England? None or hardly any for me.
His best years are ahead of him just like Tomkins, Wellens, Coote etc over here in the UK. A post further up mentions younger full backs in NRL but they have a lot of young talent in that position unlike the superleague where our fullbacks tend to show best form later on.
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| All I want is for him to be the best he can be for Trintiy. To be honest I couldn't care less whether he gets representative honours or not. He's playing against part time players so the enthusiasm needs to be curbed somewhat, he's not as good as Welsby who is also younger.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"That’s Jowitts only part of his game that lets him down slightly. However he does pull out the occasional try saver on the line too.
Every other part of his full back play is bob on.
Who other than Welsby in SL would you swap him with as a player elegible for England? None or hardly any for me.
His best years are ahead of him just like Tomkins, Wellens, Coote etc over here in the UK. A post further up mentions younger full backs in NRL but they have a lot of young talent in that position unlike the superleague where our fullbacks tend to show best form later on.'"
I don't get the logic of the players you mention. They were all stars when they were younger. They didn't get better when they were older they just played well and adapted their game when they were older.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I don't get the logic of the players you mention. They were all stars when they were younger. They didn't get better when they were older they just played well and adapted their game when they were older.'"
But their full back play did get better as they got older imo. Their all round play was much improved as a full back especially in organising other players around them and becoming ball players rather than flair players. Take Tomkins, young lad who was good but mainly because of his step and ability to glide through the gaps rather than create space and opportunity for others. He naturally developed this over his career.
You don’t have to agree with me. I’m not precious at all but I think there could be a chance over the next few years.
Someone posted above about they care about his form for Trinity. That goes without saying and if he goes onto be a good club man I’ll be happy with that.
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| Max reminds me a lot of Richie Mathers. His one on one defence can sometimes let him down but when he joins the attacking line he's like a good third half-back.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"That’s Jowitts only part of his game that lets him down slightly. However he does pull out the occasional try saver on the line too.
Every other part of his full back play is bob on.
Who other than Welsby in SL would you swap him with as a player elegible for England? None or hardly any for me.
His best years are ahead of him just like Tomkins, Wellens, Coote etc over here in the UK. A post further up mentions younger full backs in NRL but they have a lot of young talent in that position unlike the superleague where our fullbacks tend to show best form later on.'"
As a whole we are struggling for quality fullbacks, Welsby as a whole is the best we have. There’s Thewlis at Wire that’s played there abit and Will Pryce at the knights (making debut this weekend). If Jowitt was to toss his hat in the ring it would be next year with hopefully the best quality side he’ll of ever been in. His defence doesn’t let him down slightly it’ll let him down massively at international level. For me the best fullback in the world is Dylan Edward’s, his defence is equally as good as his attack, he’s just quality.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"But their full back play did get better as they got older imo. Their all round play was much improved as a full back especially in organising other players around them and becoming ball players rather than flair players. Take Tomkins, young lad who was good but mainly because of his step and ability to glide through the gaps rather than create space and opportunity for others. He naturally developed this over his career.
You don’t have to agree with me. I’m not precious at all but I think there could be a chance over the next few years.
Someone posted above about they care about his form for Trinity. That goes without saying and if he goes onto be a good club man I’ll be happy with that.'"
I agree he's good, and I also agree he'll get better, I'm just not as confident as you that he'll be playing for England.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I agree he's good, and I also agree he'll get better, I'm just not as confident as you that he'll be playing for England.'"
I agree, not convinced he'll near an England shirt, but have to agree with the POV - where are we seeing a better English full-back, as an alternative to the incumbent, than Jowitt?
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| And in answer to my own question - Wane, as Bennett did, will play any other favoured player out of position, rather than pick an outlier.
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| Quote ="dboy"I agree, not convinced he'll near an England shirt, but have to agree with the POV - where are we seeing a better English full-back, as an alternative to the incumbent, than Jowitt?'"
That was more my point. A lot f clubs have brought in overseas to fill the spot. An injury to Wellsby and who do we look at as an experienced number 1? It’s certainly a gap in the development of international players (as it is at halfback).
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"That was more my point. A lot f clubs have brought in overseas to fill the spot. An injury to Wellsby and who do we look at as an experienced number 1? It’s certainly a gap in the development of international players (as it is at halfback).'"
Evalds, Brierley, O'Brian will all be ahead of Jowitt.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Evalds, Brierley, O'Brian will all be ahead of Jowitt.'"
Two of those are almost 33 and at the back end of their careers. We are talking over the next few years afterall not this exact moment.
Evalds I’ll probably give you that one but he’s almost 31 too.
I’m not sure on Brierly or O’Brien. But they won’t be around much longer in SL.
I certainly wouldn’t swap Jowitt for any of them with his best years coming up. Your 3 x players mentioned kind of prove my point that In a year or two he could be in a position of being close by default in there not being much depth in that position (though I’d like to think he’d earn it).
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