Well we all know is where the team & club are @ present , ( Failing & little chance of improvement of this remain as they are ) it pains me
To point out -- a). Only the owner of the club can take full charge & sack people, this not only takes balls but it is not a pleasant thing to do & one must have a realistic plan to execute & achieve the plan to a successful outcome !
The problem for the owner is finances, money up front to -- b). Speculate to accumulate, this for the owner presents a problem.
He has currently insufficient income generation due to covid 19. He/the club is currently under reduced reduced income.
This issue will be compounded next season as not only will covid still be a massive issue but supporters still not able to attend matches but how many supporters will buy a season ticket when they cannot attend, their team cannot win matches, their is virtually no player of main coach changes !!
We are all able to moan or criticise but the current supporters have mainly backed the club & not asked for money back ! Me included & all my family !! But, would we pay a full season for not able to view, poor changes to the club set up, bottom of the league & and a disgrace as a team we currently have as most would have to be retained, relegation a CERTAINTY !!
These are very dark times & little chance of changing the outcome to a positive.
I am a very concerned supporter, we are looking down the death of super league status !
How very very sad this is !

Minnards or Carter ?

It is hard times indeed, for the club, Andrew with COVID, also now players, coaching staff and even office staff. Times are uncertain.

This does make it harder on the finances of the club, to make the necessary improvements.

However, to make an improvement, you don’t necessarily need to go from spending the least to the most, to make significant improvements. If you buy a bottle of wine from the supermarket, for under £4, they don’t always taste good, but if you spend a little more, than there is usually an improvement. What I’m trying to say here, is you don’t need to replace Broughie say, with the best in the NRL, and same with other players.

The club haven’t always helped themselves though, prior to COVID. I’ve said it before, and will again, I don’t think they have been very good with marketing in the past. At times you wouldn’t know there was a game on. I know they do on social media but not everyone follows it, so some wouldn’t even know. For my business I ordered some flyers, which I sent out, by hand, and on the back of this, I have extra customers, who use the service on a daily basis. This has more than paid for that box. Could we do the same?

Five wins from thirty three. What is there to discus.
No brainer.
The players have had enough of the standar guff. Move on. Bite the bullet.

i fully understand that the club is not awash with money but the team issues need addressing, we need some forwards ASAP some which can make ground and achieve parity, we broadcast we were in talks with an half back and a big figure sum, I honestly think that Tom and fafita might have to be sacrificed to the highest bidder and a rebuild take place, judging by the latest recruiting Atkins, Kaye, brough, gigot, Walker I wouldn’t trust Chester to run a bath

The players have had enough ??? some of the players want a kick up the proverbial!

While we are on the subject of reality checks, I hope the board of directors quickly get one !

Yes we all accept the club is run on a tight budget and our financial resources are no where near some other clubs. However I have little sympathy with our club when they continue to remind us of this and yet seem to spend money in a stupid fashion.

For instance I can think of at least one person at our club who has milked a living from it for several years
and provided next to zero value for money. I could also add a couple more potential candidates to go along side him.
These people have been on the gravy train for far too long and if it were not for our mis placed generosity they would have no chance of getting similar positions in other self respecting clubs.

So in my opinion there is far more the club can do itself to overcome its financial short comings by making sure they take a long hard look at their staff expenditure and like mopsey has pointed out ,review money squandered on recent stupid signings

It's obvious that the coach is as popular as a fart in a space suit amongst the majority of the fans and judging by the results that applies to the players. Is he allowed to carry on ruining our club because of his friendship with the committe or is he too expensive to terminate his contract. How long has he left on his current contract with the club before we can get shut of him for free. Having spent a small fortune on merchandise during lockdown does any other fans feel the same as me, too embarrassed to wear it.

I think you might be on your own there mate.
Just today, I was out walking and passed a complete stranger with, like me, merchandise on.. I said good morning great hat you've got on. We then had a long chat about yesterdays game.
I wear my stuff even more blatantly when we are in the dumps.

Pleased to know there are plenty of other Trinity fans who put their club first. I think the majority of us support them through thick and thin, even when it hurts.

If you feel that strongly, I suggest you give it away.
Will never stop - like others - wearing mine.

I actually like our merchandise! One of the few things that’s going right for the club at the moment is that they’ve get some decent gear. If only the coach was as good!

Wear mine too and from the gym and when I’m in there, which is most days, wondered why every body was laughing

As a Trinity fan, you know what you're getting.
A mid to lower end table club that generally battles through, regardless of the adversity and obstacles thrown in our path.
You're right about it hurting but, pain is something that you sign up for when picking Trinity as your club.
Despite the moans and groans on here, which is pretty much all because the fans want the club to be better, the Trinity fans have backed the club all season, with the vast majority sacrificing the cost of season tickets and signing up for the lottery and squad builder, Trinity TV etc.

The op asks about "time for reality", which at the moment is all about the club, along with plenty of others, trying to survive, so that we still have a club to support when things improve out in the big wide world.

Given the choice of a struggling club or no club, Ill stick with the struggling one all day long and am happy to renew S/T and buy the merchandise etc, etc.

Things will get better and we all want to be around when they are.

Up the Trin !

Said before I will be buying S T, but do think unless they are big changes not just with the players ,it will be our last season in S L

I do get what you're saying, you do need skin thicker than a rhino at times!! I guess there was an inevitability that after two great seasons we would revert to type and back to a struggle......but, why does it have to be that way? I was watching a thing this morning about Exeter Chiefs and their rise to fame since being promoted a decade ago. Later today they could be crowned the best team in Europe, they are a dominant force and have broken the stranglehold of the more 'traditional' big hitters in Union, Leicester, Bath, and Saracens, who obviously cheated their way to the top. I'm not that keen on Union, but I do watch some games, and I found their story interesting.

Look at Leicester in football, since winning the Premier league, they have hardly fallen down a great big hole have they?? They look at least like they are a regular top 4 contender, and could easily win a trophy in the next few years. I think Chairmen of all sporting clubs should tap into other sports, and try to apply some of what made them successful and flourish. Obviously money plays a big part, we all know that, but Salford are an example in our sport. They tried to buy success under Koukash and got nowhere, they are in a better place now than when he was there, although I obviously don't know all the ins and outs of their financial situation, on the field they have done remarkably well and I bet their fans are happy he has gone. It's all about making the right decisions at the right time as re. recruitment, and having foresight and taking chances, maybe thinking outside the box, and a bit of luck.

With the examples I have given, it can be done, you just get a feeling with us, we are like a cat who's had it's nine lives, but who knows, we always seem to get out of any mess we find ourselves in......

Exeter Chiefs and Leicester to a lesser extent, have one thing in their favour, money and plenty of it.
The point that I was trying to make is that, I'd rather have a badly performing side but for the club to survive, than no club at all.
I dread to think of how the finances are this season and more importantly, how on earth the club generate enough income to get through to next season.
Will we have to off load our few star players, just to get through, can we even get through next season.

Getting paying spectators through the turnstiles seems further away now than it did in March / April and financially, next season could be tougher than this.
Much as we would all like to see some "big" signings, getting through is all that matters at the moment and for all Chester's faults, he will have had THE most difficult time of his RL life in just trying to field a decent side every week
The fans are sure to be "tested" further before things start to improve but, count me in.

Yeah but your post starts off with, as a trin fan we know what we are getting? Our having the odd decent season in every 8 or 9 is what i'm saying, why does it always have to be that way? Why haven't we kicked on since 2017 & 2018?! Probably down to poor decision making by whoever has been in charge! Warrington have thrown bucket loads of money at getting a team to win the league, they signed Andrew Johns way back in 2005, since then they still haven't won the league, either finishing top or winning a G/F. Sure they have been to Wembley, but they haven't been champions since the 50's!! Being successful in sport is not all about money, it's both a blessing and a curse, as in life too!!

Very sensible and realistic post Wildmoggy.

But before the money they had no success at all.
So I think your post still shows that money made the difference. It took them to Wembley and meant they could keep competing at the top. And also meant they could develop the supporter base.
When they make bad decisions they just forget and replace. When we make them it sets us back a year or more before we recover..... Hence the good seasons mixed with struggles.

Wrencat the club won’t survive long term if they carry on Going down this road, they will struggle to attract quality signings which will equate to lower crowd and a slow lingering demise of the club that we know and love. How do you sell a club to players and fans and more importantly sponsors alike by saying (we won’t win many games and forget all about any cup runs.) Its starts by having a big shake up and a positive mindset, something which for whatever reason is sadly missing at this moment in time.

I agree with you.

Clearly, if they carry on losing, it's relegation and oblivion (probably).
My comments are more to do with the battle that ALL businesses currently have, just to survive.
Perhaps, replacing the Coach isn't the top of the list of priorities right now.

You may remember how ruthless Carter and Brereton were when they first took over. Selling a player every week just to cover the bills, with all of our better players (apart from Kirmo) leaving, just to keep us afloat.
Call me a doom monger but, the longer that the game goes on without fans coming through the turnstiles, the closer that Trinity and others may come to a similar scenario.
Everyone will have been hoping for fans to return, long before the new season starts but, this looks pretty unlikely at the moment.
Pro RL ultimately is part of the leisure industry and there are and will be all sorts of challenges in the close season and for the club (and all clubs) staying alive will be the biggest one of those challenges.

There are some great postings here on reality, but most seem to have missed the point on revenue, again, can you expect the same
Number of supporters to renew their season tickets when they cannot see live games @ Belle vue, then they consider the team Cannot win games, they will be bottom & relegated, Carter cannot therefore finance quality player's & why would quality players
Play at a struggling club with poor attitude, poor fitness, & unwilling to learn + improve. ??
This is the reality of the situation no matter how people want to believe other wise !!
Until reality is noted, you cannot expect changes, but again, money = revenue, we are in a very poor situation !!

I think fans need to understand why Carter & Brereton took over the club and stop projecting their own love for the club and the game on them, Carter in particular.

Having invested a couple of hundred grand each into the club they were forced into a choice, let the club go into Administration and lose your money or take over the club! Make no mistake they both only wanted their money out but happily for Trinity fans that meant saving the club! There’s nothing wrong with their motives or reasons but let’s not get confused with why they stepped in.

Carter then found some gratification in the praise he received and he’s revelled in it at every opportunity. Do you really and honestly believe he was trying to shovel the snow off the lines during the Widnes blizzard? I can tell you 100% that had it not been in front of a packed hospitality block with a camera at the ready he wouldn’t have been anywhere near a shovel or snow.

He’s been good at stabilising our finances, maybe too good but don’t mistake him for a fan like you are, he isn’t

How dare he go out and shovel snow off the field when it was actually too cold to even sit and watch.
He works his booty off for this club. Your bitter opinion does not change that.
I actually don't care if he does love the attention. Don't blame him.