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| Personally i would write this game off rest any players carrying knocks dont rush players back and play acadamy players.even with team from yesterday minus randell and kirmond and maybe addition of dave n bill we wont go a warrington team that are licking there wounds and will hsve there rested stars back and win lets prioritise the hudds game the week after....
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| Quote ="Trinityknight"Personally i would write this game off rest any players carrying knocks dont rush players back and play acadamy players.even with team from yesterday minus randell and kirmond and maybe addition of dave n bill we wont go a warrington team that are licking there wounds and will hsve there rested stars back and win lets prioritise the hudds game the week after....'"
My thoughts exactly.
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| Quote ="Trinityknight"Personally i would write this game off rest any players carrying knocks dont rush players back and play acadamy players.even with team from yesterday minus randell and kirmond and maybe addition of dave n bill we wont go a warrington team that are licking there wounds and will hsve there rested stars back and win lets prioritise the hudds game the week after....'"
Get what you say but its wrong imho. For me this is where teams go horribly wrong and I think Chester has already stated this, we are in a relegation fight and it starts here. We simply can't pick and choose our games, there arn't enough left and all the opposition is better than us at the moment.
We need two wins imo and both will have to be freakish performances. As there is no one worse than us at the moment we can't pick and choose, Warrington are as goo a bet as anyone else, its pot luck.
Even if we don't win and we almost certainly won't at least is we give it a shot we can gain confidence, another huge loss at Warrington would only further erode confidence.
There is no easy way out of this we have to start playing our way out of this and it starts next Friday., we ABSOLUTELY can't wait until the last game of the season, we have used all our lives up on that one.
I would however drop two players. Kirmond can't make it through a game and you only have to look at England and his curious running style to see they are simply passengers. I hate this 'throw in the kids mentality' but frankly in the case of these two you might as well. It's not a slight on them but both are clearly crocked beyond all reason and as such they can't perform miracles.
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| I do get this point, but at the moment, we can only drop players if we have players fit who are ready to come in.
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| There is only Fifita who might be back this week anyway. Given that we aren’t going to Warrington and winning whether he plays or not i wouldn't risk him. Give him the extra week off to make sure he is 100% for the Huddersfield game at home the week after. We are now at the point where we can say that is must win. Randall & Kirmond are out this week so give Gwaze his debut and have Reynolds as interchange hooker. I think Annakin may be recallable now as well. Get him in and give England the week off. Whether it's his bad back or not he isn’t at the races right now.
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| To Chester is still trying to coach as if we have a fully fit/available team . What’s the point of having Tanginoa/King coming off the bench when we start with no go forward and end up 20 points down . We haven’t the players to be having an impact ... just play the fittest , if that means youngsters so be it and keep it simple . Stop props trying to run and pass to another prop at a snails pace ... just take the ball up and try and get a quick ptb. Feel sorry for Kirmond , you can see he really wants to put a good stint in but physically can’t .
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| I'm not convinced we are in a relegation battle just yet, because four teams would have to overtake us in the remaining games, and I just don't think the maths work out. Some of these teams will have to play each other too. BUT, we need to win the right games if relegation is the concern.
Of the remaining eleven games, we have five against those immediately above us (Wigan x2, Hull, Catalan and Cas). I'd like to think we'd be focusing on those. Unfortunately, there are probably only three that matter: Huddersfield, Hull KR and London. We have to play Warrington twice and Saints, so we can forget about those points.
I don't know if it's a plus or not, but London's last three games are against fellow struggles: Rovers, Leeds and us. They'll be talking points off each other, but one of them will be climbing.
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| I fear that Blake Austin will tear us a new one on Friday. After their loss at HKR I can't see Steve Price resting any this week.
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| I find it quite funny that people are calling for Chester to target games and forget this one, where as when Webster mentioned that doing that in an interview and didn't even say he would do it, he was absolutely crucified for it.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I find it quite funny that people are calling for Chester to target games and forget this one, where as when Webster mentioned that doing that in an interview and didn't even say he would do it, he was absolutely crucified for it.'"
With only half a season gone Webster targeted the Million pound game though.
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| Massive difference between Chester and Webster. At Easter, Chester was looking for us to continue to challenge for a top 5. Contrastingly, Webster pretty gave up at Easter.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I find it quite funny that people are calling for Chester to target games and forget this one, where as when Webster mentioned that doing that in an interview and didn't even say he would do it, he was absolutely crucified for it.'"
Its about been realistic lets rush dave back on friday and due to this he gets injuered or as a set back and we also pick up another couple of injuries like yesterday and they can play the following week.these injuries picked up in a game we cant win making potential for players to miss a game we can win.i hate losing as much as anyone but surley this would be good game managment
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| Quote ="Trinityknight"Personally i would write this game off rest any players carrying knocks dont rush players back and play acadamy players.even with team from yesterday minus randell and kirmond and maybe addition of dave n bill we wont go a warrington team that are licking there wounds and will hsve there rested stars back and win lets prioritise the hudds game the week after....'"
totally agree
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| Could be another 80 pasting due to our lack of interest to defend recently.
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| Quote ="Trinityknight"Its about been realistic lets rush dave back on friday and due to this he gets injuered or as a set back and we also pick up another couple of injuries like yesterday and they can play the following week.these injuries picked up in a game we cant win making potential for players to miss a game we can win.i hate losing as much as anyone but surley this would be good game managment'"
I get the logic but it never seems to work like that. In the past Trinity have always done well when least expected and have always come crashing down when expected to do well. If you want to wait for a revival against so called 'lesser' teams that's fine but if you fail to beat them then there is no plan B.
Also I'm a great believer in momentum in sport, I honestly don't believe you can husband your resources and win games on demand, there is no 'go out and play' button.
For me its simply to risky, I want to see us chance our arm and try to get a result from every game, doesn't have to be a win just a good performance, then when we do meet so called 'beatable' teams we at lest have some form.
That's how I see it.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Could be another 80 pasting due to our lack of interest to defend recently.'"
Attempting to be optimistic here but maybe this will lull Warrington into a false sense of security
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| The 19-man squad in full is:
Connor BAILEY
Danny BROUGH
Mason CATON-BROWN
Jack CROFT
Jordan CROWTHER
Anthony ENGLAND
David FIFITA
Titus GWAZE
Ryan HAMPSHIRE
Keegan HIRST
Ben JONES-BISHOP
Lee KERSHAW
George KING
Craig KOPCZAK
Reece LYNE
Jacob MILLER
Pauli PAULI
Kelepi TANGINOA
Kyle WOOD
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| Quote ="TheDreadnought"The 19-man squad in full is:
Connor BAILEY
Danny BROUGH
Mason CATON-BROWN
Jack CROFT
Jordan CROWTHER
Anthony ENGLAND
David FIFITA
Titus GWAZE
Ryan HAMPSHIRE
Keegan HIRST
Ben JONES-BISHOP
Lee KERSHAW
George KING
Craig KOPCZAK
Reece LYNE
Jacob MILLER
Pauli PAULI
Kelepi TANGINOA
Kyle WOOD'"
If all fit, I would go with -
Hampshire
BJB
Lyne
Croft
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Miller
Brough
Kopczak
Wood
King
Tanginoa
Pauli
Crowther
Fifita
England
Hirst
Bailey
I know Bailey can play all over the park, so is useful to have on the bench - Crowther seems to have a really good engine and could give Wood a break at 9 so he doesn't have to play the full 80. Overall I don`t think that is a bad looking team given the circumstances - The only one I wasn`t sure about is whether to go for MCB at Centre and Kershaw on the wing instead of Croft in the centre and MCB on the wing.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"If all fit, I would go with -
Hampshire
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King
Tanginoa
Pauli
Crowther
Fifita
England
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I know Bailey can play all over the park, so is useful to have on the bench - Crowther seems to have a really good engine and could give Wood a break at 9 so he doesn't have to play the full 80. Overall I don`t think that is a bad looking team given the circumstances - The only one I wasn`t sure about is whether to go for MCB at Centre and Kershaw on the wing instead of Croft in the centre and MCB on the wing.'"
Id go with this but just a slight change for me.
I think King will probably take up position at loose not prop. King to the bench and England to start.
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| All seems to have gone quiet re.Tupou's return, has he had a setback in his recovery??
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| I’d put gwaze in instead of England and let’s see what the lad can do ,everyone thinks it’s a no win game so for me stick the lad in and give England a rest as he’s clearly playing with a back injury and nowhere near up to his early season form
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| Quote ="Wildmoggy"All seems to have gone quiet re.Tupou's return, has he had a setback in his recovery??'" tupo said in Wakefield express about two weeks ago he was at least two weeks off .
Can’t see anything other than a slaughter - we are actually lacking ten players who would have featured in front of the team that’s playing so am hoping gallant losers
Honestly think if we resign Randell , kirmond Pauli and Huby (yes I know he has a year ) baldwinson some one wants shooting
Randell spends more time in pinderfiekds than the matron
Kirmond bin great but time caught him up
Huby same
Pauli disruptive influence and consistently underperforms
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonly"tupo said in Wakefield express about two weeks ago he was at least two weeks off .
Can’t see anything other than a slaughter - we are actually lacking ten players who would have featured in front of the team that’s playing so am hoping gallant losers
Honestly think if we resign Randell , kirmond Pauli and Huby (yes I know he has a year ) baldwinson some one wants shooting
Randell spends more time in pinderfiekds than the matron
Kirmond bin great but time caught him up
Huby same
Pauli disruptive influence and consistently underperforms
Baldwinson - if I passed him in street wouldn’t recognise him'"
I think this game is all about finding some for an unlikely win would be a massive bonus but form and fitness matters most imo.
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| If players are ready to come back, they play
That's not rushing them back, that's playing your best team.
Some of them might need the game time anyway, win or lose its an investment, you cannot shepherd players away from games because you think they might get injured.....that's nuts, just don't sign them in the first place.
If they need a week off or they're playing niggled, that's different, but to not play your best players if they're fit because you don't think you can win the game with or without them is.......................exactly what I expect to be reading in this forum, typical.
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| Very concerning about Dave
Richard shawright made a comment on 40/20 that Dave hadn’t being training and still had a problem with his foot but nothing was showing up on scans
Did anyone else hear this ?
Any issues with Dave I’d say rest him till he is right
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