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| Richard Owen
Coming into the game great bit of momentum he passed it to Wardle = game.over
A amazing centre in Collis working with that plum his wingman is about as eager to want the ball as a slug wanting salt. Grix looked like Linford Christie next to him.
Webster wanted more pace this year... There is a 3 year deal treacle toes.
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| Agree totally. As do most wakey and Cas fans I know.
Cue most on this forum sticking up for the waste of a shirt simply because newgroundbeforecas has posted it.
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| Looked like he got injured late in the match. An opportunity for Johnstone maybe.
There are bigger issues with the side than Owen. The ability is there, the application is very inconsistent.
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| And he runs like a girl (no offence intended)
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| I think Owen had a good game today, unfortunately he tried forcing a few passes which weren't on, but he wasn't the only one. I'd say Collis made a few wrong decisions to force the pass and turn the ball over.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Richard Owen
Coming into the game great bit of momentum he passed it to Wardle = game.over
A amazing centre in Collis working with that plum his wingman is about as eager to want the ball as a slug wanting salt. Grix looked like Linford Christie next to him.
Webster wanted more pace this year... There is a 3 year deal treacle toes.
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Ah, back to Owen after Scruton?
Was instrumental in one try we scored and generally looked ok for me.
Forced the pass when we lost the game at about 30-14, so no problem with that.
People see different things but like someone has said, more than Owen, composure would be a start?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"
There are bigger issues with the side than Owen.'"
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| His was the second worst 3 year deal I have ever known Trin hand out - Agar by a million miles was the worst......desperate
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| I have never read such drivel, you pick out one player because of the personal vendetta some of you have. He gave a pass trying to create a scoring opportunity when the score was something like 30 points to 14, what do you want him to do just accept the tackle. I heard some around me criticising Hall for the failed short kick off, so what it didn't work but neither did it lose us the game.
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| He probably wasn't at his best today but he wasn't alone there and shouldn't really be singled out. He did look like like he picked up a knock so Johnstone might get his place next week.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I have never read such drivel, you pick out one player because of the personal vendetta some of you have. He gave a pass trying to create a scoring opportunity when the score was something like 30 points to 14, what do you want him to do just accept the tackle. I heard some around me criticising Hall for the failed short kick off, so what it didn't work but neither did it lose us the game.'"
The only criticism of the short kick off, is that it should have been tried earlier, or even mix it up.
Brough would have been trying alsorts of kick off, if Hudds had been behind.
Think this is the only time that I agree with NGB4C about mixing the kick offs up!!
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I have never read such drivel, you pick out one player because of the personal vendetta some of you have. He gave a pass trying to create a scoring opportunity when the score was something like 30 points to 14, what do you want him to do just accept the tackle. I heard some around me criticising Hall for the failed short kick off, so what it didn't work but neither did it lose us the game.'"
At that stage of the game we were never going to get back into it so all Hall did with the short kick off was gift the giants the field position to score yet another try, but that wasn't as bad as the suicidal pass he threw on our line which led to their last try. Just a couple of examples of poor decision making which seemed to affect quite a few players today
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"At that stage of the game we were never going to get back into it so all Hall did with the short kick off was gift the giants the field position to score yet another try, but that wasn't as bad as the suicidal pass he threw on our line which led to their last try. Just a couple of examples of poor decision making which seemed to affect quite a few players today'"
So these two examples had no impact on the result but we still find a way to criticise?
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| Points difference?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Points difference?'"
Did think about that after the final whistle but would you rather the team batten down the hatches when the game has gone and play percentage rugby, what is what they should have been doing at 18-14?
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| Exactly, so its bad to single one person out, like the OP did, anyway looks like Owen injured so Johnstone will probably get his chance
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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"Did think about that after the final whistle but would you rather the team batten down the hatches when the game has gone and play percentage rugby, what is what they should have been doing at 18-14?'"
14-18 with 20 or so minutes left playing for field position, seeing out their sets and making a poor Huddersfield side start their six from their goal line, maybe forcing a mistake whilst they were on the rack. At 30-14 with 5 to go we managed to concede an unnecessary additional 14 points. Time will tell if that costs us.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Richard Owen
Coming into the game great bit of momentum he passed it to Wardle = game.over
A amazing centre in Collis working with that plum his wingman is about as eager to want the ball as a slug wanting salt. Grix looked like Linford Christie next to him.
Webster wanted more pace this year... There is a 3 year deal treacle toes.
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I agree but who are we
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| NGB4C - did you see that amazing centre pass the ball to a Hudds player or were you just watching for Owens errors lets face it there was far more than one player having yet another bad day it don't say a lot when for me two players who didn't do the full 80 were our better players one the deserved MOM Ali the other that played less time Crowther the old man of the side and the up coming youngster.Time for spec savers so you will be able to see the others that were just as bad me thinks
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| Course there was loads more wrong than Owen I'm not blind. All I am stating is OWEN IS THE WORSE.WINGER IN LEAGUE
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Course there was loads more wrong than Owen I'm not blind. All I am stating is OWEN IS THE WORSE.WINGER IN LEAGUE'"
Looks like you've got a problem with your caps lock, hope you sort it soon it makes your posts' lop sided
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| there's a prize... now there's a prize I could win!
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| Collis is not the type of centre to look for the pass. 95% of the time you can guarantee he will try and sidestep taking players on the inside. It's frustrating how often he nearly gets through! that isn't owens fault.
Owen has been defending pretty well and for me he has had enthusiasm. He was the first to encourage the team after we went 18-0 down. He's made a few breaks and does the hard graft making plenty of yards carrying out of our 20. He's no superstar but he's been solid and done very little wrong which is why he's kept the shirt.
That said, Id like to see some experimentation for wigan. We have to mix it up after sustaining 4 losses in a row. 2 of which were on the heavy side.
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| Isn't Owen injured so a change will have to be made on the wing
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| Have to say I agree, he is gash.
His body language and demeanour looks like a man who couldn't give a toss. Opposition will always pressure a player who looks as if he does not want to be there.
Why do we need to see his builders cleavage during a game? Tom Johnson please.
Other posters are correct though, you cannot single him out for dire decision making.
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