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| In the evening post he says he wants to compete and with our situation he couldn't . 'The club needs to decide where it wants to be either competing or selling' doesn't he realise we ain't got money to compete but with a right coach we could. Does he think he is better than he is sure hull FC had the money and he didn't do owt there.
Another question heard folk saying if we stay in sl then nxt yr we'll be able to rebuild/improve the squad so where would the money come from is it investment or new sponsorship
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| The side he was coaching was more than capable of competing with the Bulls.
I wonder what his excuse for two losses were?
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| This squad should be competing for the top eight never mind the Bulls, and the reason we aren't is down to RA.
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| He's a shocking coach. Glad he's gone. What a EDIT
Willzay you know you can't do that. Please heed the warning. Poptart
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| Doesn't everyone want to 'compete'?
It's how you go about it, to make it happen.
The lack of passion in his interviews and post match speeches, is hardly the rallying call from someone who desperately wants to compete.
Anyway that is in the past and the future is Orange!
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| To compete you first need fire in your belly and the right mind set.
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| I think he’s got a cheek!
He’d had a chance to compete whilst he was at Hull, great stadium, large fan base & presumably a full S.C. to go at.
Yet he got handed a lifeline by Wakefield, when he would have probably taken any old job in the lower leagues, he may then have got the Fev gig when Powell moved to Cas.
Yep we had a decent end to his first season but that was partly down to Bradford’s meltdown, second season pretty poor, & this year, enough said.
The bloke appears to think he’s a top coach & should be coaching a top side, but there’s nothing on his C.V that suggests that is the case.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I think he’s got a cheek!
[uHe’d had a chance to compete whilst he was at Hull, great stadium, large fan base & presumably a full S.C. to go at.[/u
Yet he got handed a lifeline by Wakefield, when he would have probably taken any old job in the lower leagues, he may then have got the Fev gig when Powell moved to Cas.
Yep we had a decent end to his first season but that was partly down to Bradford’s meltdown, second season pretty poor, & this year, enough said.
The bloke appears to think he’s a top coach & should be coaching a top side, but there’s nothing on his C.V that suggests that is the case.'"
Plus all the baggage that went with it that he had to put up with at Hull.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"
Yep we had a decent end to his first season but that was partly down to Bradford’s meltdown, second season pretty poor, & this year, enough said.'"
I was going to bring this point up a bit ago.
When Bradford went into admin first time round and had 6 points deducted, they dropped to 9th.
They were still 3 points in front of us at that time.
Any sane person would have still backed them to make the 8, as who would have bet on us winning our last 7 games?
Even then, it still went to the last game.
Bulls lost at Catalan, which guaranteed the pressure was off when we played our last game.
So all in all, very mediocre from a 'young British coach'.
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| Personally I think that he's just trying to cover himself following the recent results. The squad is there to compete with, he tinkered with it nobody else did. He only got the Hull job by default and seriously underperformed with a richer club. He said he wants to compete. You don't have to be at the top to compete. You have to have the desire and (as mentioned before) fire in your belly. One of things I find interesting is he said he decided a month ago that it was time for a change, so why wait so long? And why did our chairman give the impression it was more recent than that?
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| I'm not an avid Agar basher, but he had enough quality in the team to compete for top 8 if anything, and he even said it himself.
Sounds like he's just trying to big himself up for potential future employers
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| Quote ="trinfan71"One of things I find interesting is he said he decided a month ago that it was time for a change, so why wait so long? And why did our chairman give the impression it was more recent than that?'"
Because you'll never know all the details that lead up to someone who is in situ, moving on, or being moved on; if there's any kind of compromise agreement involved, which is highly likely, it's a confidential agreement between the employer and the (former) employee.
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| We shall go onwards and upwards no belief. He is in cuckoo land thinking he is superior to this job.Kear had a worse side by a long way but believed in his troops. AGAR not a leader good riddance. He tried to sabottage our great club
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| Quote ="bren2k"Because you'll never know all the details that lead up to someone who is in situ, moving on, or being moved on; if there's any kind of compromise agreement involved, which is highly likely, it's a confidential agreement between the employer and the (former) employee.'"
Assuming RA asked to leave to look for another job and to 'compete', why do you think it highly likely that RA will be agreeing a pay off?
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| I admit to being one prepared to give Agar the benefit of doubt prior to the lead up to the Bradford game.
His laid back attitude (to put it mildly) in the lead up was totally unacceptable and smacked more of 'couldn't care less'.
The statements by him since seem to suggest that indeed was the case.
I now agree with many of you that he should have gone earlier.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Assuming RA asked to leave to look for another job and to 'compete', why do you think it highly likely that RA will be agreeing a pay off?'"
The key word in that sentence is 'assuming' - which is what everyone who comments is doing, as they're not in full possession of all the facts; which is exactly as it should be.
I didn't mention a pay-off, I said a compromise agreement, which doesn't necessarily involve a payment in consideration, but often does.
I don't think its fair to speculate - the deal is done, we are where we are; let's get behind JW and hope that he can spark a reaction from the players that sees us out of the relegation dogfight.
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| Lets not hope anything. It must improve and instantly. The reason he was given the job was for continuity he must bring the best out of the players. If he doesn't whats it all about. I expect instant results, I expect effort, graft and team work.
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| There isn’t enough time for anything else . Looking forward to seeing his first squad announcement , hope he rids himself of the having favourites’ tag, should have Shulver and Johnston in it imo,if he would like to see a couple of Agars mistaken rejects play there should be a cracking game at Post Office Road on Sunday . Also wonder if he will be watching the 19s at Leeds as I have never seen him watch ONE before
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| He needs to get Steve Dutton round to sort his grass out!
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| Quote ="victarmeldrew"There isn’t enough time for anything else . Looking forward to seeing his first squad announcement , hope he rids himself of the having favourites’ tag, should have Shulver and Johnston in it imo,if he would like to see a couple of Agars mistaken rejects play there should be a cracking game at Post Office Road on Sunday . Also wonder if he will be watching the 19s at Leeds as I have never seen him watch ONE before'"
Yes he has,sat at the side of us a couple of times.
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| This man is deluded. So glad he has gone. Hes acting like some kind of massiah.
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| This unable to compete quote from Agar is the excuse of someone who is limited to a certain level and cannot take that next step as a coach and motivator.
It's would be also interesting to here his views on his French position because he obviously cannot compete there too.So is that another take the money and pretend I'm half decent gig.
I'll give you a comparison.David Moyes for many years told us at Everton we were competing at our maximum and that 6th /7th was where we should expect to finish without major investment.During that last season with us he virtually tossed it off,pretending to compete because he knew where he was heading and 7th would be great because we didn't have the money,so be grateful!
Well Martinez put that theory to bed,didn't he!He made the players believe we could compete for a Top 4 spot and never once wavered and very nearly achieved it,all that and a profit of 19mill on transfer dealings.
I hope Webster brings a positivity to the role that it deserves and that the players respond to the fresh approach because no matter how nice Agar was to them,he ain't a winner!
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| For me it all now makes sense own
RA was not interested in Wakefield Trinity.it was just a temporary measure. He was always far too laid back and showed a total lack of urgency or passion, JK used to wear his heart on his sleeve, if he was angry he told us and if he was "delighted" to coin one of JKs fav phrases he told us
Agar should be ashamed of his self . He has nothing on his CV to suggest anything other that a lower league coach,
Seriously who would want him, he's absolute garbage
With his departure I am now sure more than ever we will see our club turned around as we have a good enough squad to compete
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| On boots n all Brian Carney seemed adamant that RA would go into refereeing. Wonder if he would be allowed to ref any Trin games ?
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"This man is deluded. So glad he has gone. Hes acting like some kind of massiah.
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Coaches are here a short time sadly the same cannot be said about you. He is no longer our coach I know you have little in your life if this is all you have, you cannot let it go.
I notice some of you go on about Kear am I the only one who remembers his main game plan was 5 barges (unless we dropped the ball) and then a kick. He was the one in charge when I witnessed our own mascot throw his costume head to the floor because we were so bad. I would say let's not get too blinkered because many of you were also calling for his removal. I doubt we will ever have a coach who can live up to some of your expectations.
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