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| Two impressive score lines now assigned to history.
Next up it's the visit of St Helens to BV.
From competing against two of the poorest teams in SL currently it's time to face arguably one of the best attacking sides in the competition.
This will be about our effort and desire in defence rather than out scoring the opposition knowing defensive mistakes can be covered up.
Walsh and Soliola may be missing (I'm sure I've read that somewhere) from the Saints line up with a bit of luck, and we seem to picking from an ever strengthening pot of players.
Hopefully this one will wet the appetite of the Wakefield public who this far have stayed away and I'm sure the saints fans will turn up in good number.
Get your tickets early as with this being a reduced capacity match, if you turn up on the day you might be disappointed.
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| I'm looking forward to this.
This is a no lose game for me. No one expects us to do anything, so it's a great measure of how well we are coming together as a team.
From what I've seen Sts are the best at the moment and we will need to be at our best to have a chance.
Sts will be tested as well if Walsh really isn't playing. He has been great for them so far so it'll show how much they have come on too.
I'm looking forward to it
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| Nothing to loose game and will show how we are going and if its like normal Wakey/Saints it will be a good one.
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| Got to stop Amor and Walmsley from getting them on the front foot with a quick play the ball and releasing their three quarters to run at a broken defence.
If we do that and drag them into an arm wrestle we have some X factor players in Tautai, Laitiiti, Godinet and Sammut who can conjure up points.
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| Should be a very interesting game. 2 very attacking sides.
I expect a real try fest!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Got to stop Amor and Walmsley from getting them on the front foot with a quick play the ball and releasing their three quarters to run at a broken defence.
If we do that and drag them into an arm wrestle we have some X factor players in Tautai, Laitiiti, Godinet and Sammut who can conjure up points.'"
Personally I don't think we actually want an arm wrestle. I think we need to reverse what Sts do exactly.
Quick lay the balls and fast attack.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Personally I don't think we actually want an arm wrestle. I think we need to reverse what Sts do exactly.
Quick lay the balls and fast attack.'"
I think our strength lies in the middle both in attack but especially in defence, the last thing we want is a fast open game because we'd get mullered out wide
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Got to stop Amor and Walmsley from getting them on the front foot with a quick play the ball and releasing their three quarters to run at a broken defence.
If we do that and drag them into an arm wrestle we have some X factor players in Tautai, Laitiiti, Godinet and Sammut who can conjure up points.'"
I'm sorry, but this is a real pet peeve of mine this year. It's basically saying, if we score more points than saints do then we might win. (And every team we've played so far has started by saying "if we stop Amor and walmsley ..."icon_wink.gif
Also, saints don't have x-factor players to pull points out of nowhere?
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"I'm sorry, but this is a real pet peeve of mine this year. It's basically saying, if we score more points than saints do then we might win. (And every team we've played so far has started by saying "if we stop Amor and walmsley ..."icon_wink.gif
Also, saints don't have x-factor players to pull points out of nowhere?'"
I'm not concerned with pandering to Sts fans, I was talking about what I think WAKEFIELDS best chance of winning is.
If you look at my reply to Pop Tart you'll see that I'm not dismissing Sts other players
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| Quote ="The Avenger"I'm not concerned with pandering to Sts fans, I was talking about what I think WAKEFIELDS best chance of winning is.
If you look at my reply to Pop Tart you'll see that I'm not dismissing Sts other players'"
Indeed, and in both cases, the X factor players are hard to stop. We both agree on that, so a better way is to stop the go forward so the X factor players are starting in their own half.
It's not like Sts are so gifted that they can pass the ball to the wings on first tackle and score every time.
They build through the likes of Amor, same as everybody else, it's just your go forward and speed of transition is better than most (if not all)
So The Avenger and I are saying we need to start at the beginning and stop the go forward. We only have different opinions of whether we keep the ball there in attack or go wider (and it's only a small differece at that as clearly both are needed).
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| They are more down the middle than Saints teams of old, i'd argue we might be more like the old Saints than this Saints team is.
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| Quote ="PopTart"
They build through the likes of Amor, same as everybody else, it's just your go forward and speed of transition is better than most (if not all)
So The Avenger and I are saying we need to start at the beginning and stop the go forward. '"
And this is where my frustration lies. The likes of Amor and walmsley only see the ball on the third/ fourth tackle. The quality of our set is dependant on swift makinson and lomax who will more often then not be the first second and third runners. They all seem to have the wonderful knack of beating the first man, getting down and playing the ball quickly, so by the time Amor and walmsley enter the set, defence is at 6s and 7s already. To stop Amor/ walmsley at that point would just see us ship the ball wide again (even in our own half) where there will be an overlap due to numbering up on our big guys). See the Amor try against Salford and you'll see this.
To beat saints, you need an impeccable kicking game (something we've not really faced yet) kick chase from every single member of the team (makinson and swift like to probe for weakness' throughout the match - see makinsons try against Catalans) and catch us sleeping, as we have already been caught several times this season.
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| Like people are saying no one expects us to win so just play are own game and see we're that takes us.
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| Our own game should be different for every team.
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| Then it's not are own game is it? We would be changing are game to try stop there's instead of playing are game and let teams worry about us
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| Quote ="Deeencee"Then it's not are own game is it? We would be changing are game to try stop there's instead of playing are game and let teams worry about us'"
Obviously we have to have a core idea of how our players can play together, but different teams require different tactics to be dealt with effectively.
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| It will be an interesting battle of the forwards, thought we were gona be weakened after amore n poore left but I've been proved wrong on that.
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| I think we're coming along very nicely indeed, let them worry about us. Too many times in the past we've given too much respect to a top team and ended up getting tonked. I'd like us just to carry on as we are doing making progress as a team, building confidence and playing to our strengths. We have a pretty good record against St Helens so I don't see any reason why we can't beat them, we can beat anyone and I'm sure Mr Agar will be instilling that into the players this week.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Obviously we have to have a core idea of how our players can play together, but different teams require different tactics to be dealt with effectively.'"
Yeh exactly we change are plays against different
Teams not change are game like someone else as said that is giving them to much respect
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"And this is where my frustration lies. The likes of Amor and walmsley only see the ball on the third/ fourth tackle. The quality of our set is dependant on swift makinson and lomax who will more often then not be the first second and third runners. They all seem to have the wonderful knack of beating the first man, getting down and playing the ball quickly, so by the time Amor and walmsley enter the set, defence is at 6s and 7s already. To stop Amor/ walmsley at that point would just see us ship the ball wide again (even in our own half) where there will be an overlap due to numbering up on our big guys). See the Amor try against Salford and you'll see this.
To beat saints, you need an impeccable kicking game (something we've not really faced yet) kick chase from every single member of the team (makinson and swift like to probe for weakness' throughout the match - see makinsons try against Catalans) and catch us sleeping, as we have already been caught several times this season.'"
Ah I see what you mean. I agree with that too.
To be honest we do the same thing. Our back three make a lot of ground from deep kicks.
The props take that forward from there I agree.
So pretty much we need to keep all those people under control!!??!
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| Saints' prop LMS could be facing a 2-3 match ban.
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| Quote ="The Dreadnought"Saints' prop LMS could be facing a 2-3 match ban.'"
Shame, he usually chucks us a few penaltys.
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| Hope all the Saints players make a speedy recovery but glad they aren't playing this week.
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| Biggest thing we should is ball retention and stop giving away penalties
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