Absolutly appauling. Attitude, tactics, defence.
Took Agar a full half to realise Briscoe and Lynn weren't upto it. Matt Ryan sured things up the 2nd half. If Walshaw or our young kids can't do a better job than them 2 we are in trouble.Seriously my grandma on her zimmer frame would have scored a try against them 2. Briscoe ship back to Leeds now no good 1 game yes but not even close to standard. Sammut the only ray of light great performance.Sykes why same ko every time basic and half hearted and boring not worth your wage.Even when we scored our attitude was appauling. Wigan werent good today but we were embarrassing again. Can't wait for you guys to say I am wrong but I paid my entrance fee today and that was AWFUL!

I agree. I can't wait for the goody two shoes to come on and defend Agar, AGAIN.

Tautai and Smith did very well today. Game was gone why was agar just watching Wigan scoring time after time down that side. Can someone tell Sykes you don't get penalized for trying a different ko. If I was a player I would be going ape at him!

First half we were that bad at times it was embarrassing. 2nd half better but still failing to do the basics right.

Mathers had a shocker missed pretty much every tackle he went for and actually side stepped his way out of making a few.
I am afraid he and reece lynne don't have the bottle required to be RL players.

Stuck at work today so could not make it. Was Lyne and Briscoe not the same combination that fev ran rings around in the friendly ?

if so, why would anyone imagine Wigan not being able to do so ?

already said my piece about Mathers and sounds like nothing has changed, stick him on the wing in place of lyne or out of the team. Fullback is too important a position and he is looking very weak there.

Im not sure Mathers and Lynne have a spine between them,unfortunately they are Agars untouchables.

Did agar on radio say our edge defence was good? Mathers covered Lynn once which was good. Briscoe waste of time may aswell ship bk to Leeds now no point wasting our time. Putting Ryan at centre was all too late.

Maybe this could be our new motto, a bit like Wigan's Ancient & Loyal.

agar needs to go now before its too late,was at wigan today they was utter e,
i wont be wasting my wage no more to go watch such crap,
why is he still playing lyne??? for one

I have yet to watch the game going to give it a go tonight. From the radio though Wakefield had spells where they went ok, problem seemed to be they could not get the ball.

Avoiding relegation is still the key to this season. I still think you need to pick up a couple of "shock" wins and turn London over twice and Bradford over once. I think 12 to 14 points will see you safe.

Picking up 12 points in my opinion is lacking ambition. We should be setting our standards higher and losing games because of slow starts and being penalised and losing the ball time and time again is not good enough

I know you can't justify a poor performance but did anyone really think that 2 points was achievable today

I will be over the moon if you get 14 points. I don't think it is anything other than realistic.

Apart from London and Bradford every other team in the lower tier of Super League has improved massively. Les Cats becomes a massive 2 games for Wakey and Bradford also. Other than that Wakefield I feel will go into most matches rightfully as underdogs. 6 or 7 wins in my opinion would be a great return.

I did Snowie. Two or three out, on the wrong end of the score in a tough game in Sydney and a 24 hour journey home. We've never had a better chance to turn them over than today and blew it. They were too good for us.

At times the attitude of lots of our players was pathetic, particularly our senior players; Mathers, Washbrook, Sykes and even the saintly Kirmond looked disinterested and lazy for large parts of the game.

Step forward Sammutt and Tautai, who tried to win the game on their own; which begs the question - why does a bloke who only joined the club 10 days ago run his blood to water, when the lads who should have some ownership of the badge can't be ar5ed?

Because he hasn't had it coached out of him yet. FFS! Give Agar at least a couple of weeks to demotivate him.

NGB4C - you must have been near us as I said all game long its same old story at kick off no trying the other side or a shorter kick with the ball bouncing all over the shop.Lyne did a few good runs and Mathers was not interested I could not belive Lyne took the high ball and got out into the field of play only for to be driven back over the line by 2 Wigan players and who stood watching but Mathers for god sake why did he not help him keep in the field of play.Another point I could not understand was the Wigan winger Burgess was throwing up on the field at one bit why did we then not have a go at running over the top of him a couple of times.

Burgess is known to spew, it's something he tends to do. Given the try he scored not long after I think this highlighted this.

Not sure why he does it, but I have seen him do it a few times in the past to no detriment to his performance.

I would have his sugar levels checked, it once happened to me while working long hours and grafting like I had never worked before, I would say dietary

It could just be a case if nerves, I played with a few who did the same. I am sure with the support staff Wigan have it will have been something that will have been investigated.

For 2yrs I've had my ability as an ex coach ridiculed because of my criticisum of certain players on here particularly mathers, and his mastery of the art of self preservation,the clubs signing of second rate overseas players like mat Ryan and godinet on I'm sure much better money than our own of similar ability, and English players like Lynne and wash brook ,and Leeds loanees ,briscoe and keinhurst at the expence of players we already had had the club who were unfortunately not our coaches signings,and our coach himself who's skill at team selection or how to manage a team during a game is none existent .A word for pop tart from reading your posts I'm sure your a very nice and honest chap, but can't you see that defenders of our coach and teams performances are wearing a bit thing. Oh and agars raving over the Polish kid Harry we'll have to wait and see ,but he's said similar things before about players and I'm sorry I don't trust his judgement

If Agar does go fancy a job?

What was your perspective of the game Jonh?

For once, I can't argue about Mathers; he was dreadful today and on at least two occasions, it looked to me like he deliberately avoided having to make a 1 on 1 tackle.

Don't take this as me agreeing with everything you say by the way - that would never do - but just for today, I'm with you on Mathers.

Not seen it in full yet, going to sit down to watch it once my better half heads up to bed.......shortly hopefully!