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| Just seen a post on Salford forum suggesting we are swapping Tim for mcgoldrick and cash, I really hope this is a very late April fools joke.
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| Salford will also sign Billy Slater and Cameron Smith in a player swap with Melbourne
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| If Wildcats are strapped for cash this might be the case!
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| Quote ="passionate"If Wildcats are strapped for cash this might actually be the case!'"
But if that were the case I wud rather have more cash and let Salford keep mcgoldrick
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| And this thread is total BS - since when did random posts on the Salford forum become fact.
Oh and we are cash strapped now are we because some on this forum suggest so
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| Quote ="vastman"And this thread is total BS - since when did random posts on the Salford forum become fact.
Oh and we are cash strapped now are we because some on this forum suggest so
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I never said it was fact and I hope it is BS.
I did not say we were cash strapped either, just that if we were I would rather us take more cash than have the player in question.
I would say that there are a number of indicators away from this forum which show the club is not in rude health, just the degree of severity which is unclear
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| Quote ="vastman"And this thread is total BS - since when did random posts on the Salford forum become fact.
Oh and we are cash strapped now are we because some on this forum suggest so
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Just to clarify, this is news to us too. The original poster is a Wakey fan I think, on our board.
Time will tell I suppose.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"I never said it was fact and I hope it is BS.
I did not say we were cash strapped either, just that if we were I would rather us take more cash than have the player in question.
I would say that there are a number of indicators away from this forum which show the club is not in rude health, just the degree of severity which is unclear'"
Gossip is not an indicator.
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| Quote ="vastman"Gossip is not an indicator.'"
Ccj's are though plus the speed with which the new sponsorship deal was agreed, which I have no doubt is less than the Eric France one, leaving a hole in the budget
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Ccj's are though'"
Are they - and why is that?
There has been a huge issue made of this by people on here who clearly don't know the history of the club.
My employer who has about 80 staff recently filed one of these type of things (I don't pretend to be one of the experts on this forum on this issue) - it was against BT, are they doomed?
I understand why it doesn't look great and although I suspect it's historical debt I'm not sure why the sudden glut - however I see too many people on here trying to fashion an issue out of what I see as a non issue.
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| Quote ="vastman"Are they - and why is that?
There has been a huge issue made of this by people on here who clearly don't know the history of the club.
My employer who has about 80 staff recently filed one of these type of things (I don't pretend to be one of the experts on this forum on this issue) - it was against BT, are they doomed?
I understand why it doesn't look great and although I suspect it's historical debt I'm not sure why the sudden glut - however I see too many people on here trying to fashion an issue out of what I see as a non issue.'"
Causes problems in getting credit. For a relatively new business 8 ccjs in a short period says we're struggling regardless of why they have been incurred.
Anyone can file them but once judgement has been issued you have lost the argument and they need to be paid.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Causes problems in getting credit. For a relatively new business 8 ccjs in a short period says we're struggling regardless of why they have been incurred.
Anyone can file them but once judgement has been issued you have lost the argument and they need to be paid.'"
The club cannot get credit anyway its too young as a business in the current climate with finance
You have banged on on about the CCJ's but on line they are easy to lay with Northampton, its a dispute if you get a service you are unghappy with or dont get a service ayt all do you pay for it or would you fight it?
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Causes problems in getting credit. For a relatively new business 8 ccjs in a short period says we're struggling regardless of why they have been incurred.
Anyone can file them but once judgement has been issued you have lost the argument and they need to be paid.'"
So what, there is no affordable credit available to a club like ours these days - so why not fight to save money the old fashion way by not paying for shoddy goods.
You call it struggling but have you seen the books?
No, AG has and must have his reasons.
We may well be struggling but we mat not, both are assumptions.
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| The CCJ subject has been done to death, it's becoming tiresome now, we are no worse off than a healthy percentage of other SL clubs and better off than a few. I think people should move on and be more concerned about our performances on the field.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"The club cannot get credit anyway its too young as a business in the current climate with finance
You have banged on on about the CCJ's but on line they are easy to lay with Northampton, its a dispute if you get a service you are unghappy with or dont get a service ayt all do you pay for it or would you fight it?'"
Once the judgement is made you have lost you need to pay. Not paying is not good.
I said difficulty getting credit (not finance). If the club can't get credit how do they owe people money in the first place? No credit means people insisting on cash up front or not dealing with us. This can result in more pressure on cash flow and/or paying more for services because we have less choice of who to deal with.
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| Quote ="TLeeLegend"The CCJ subject has been done to death, it's becoming tiresome now, we are no worse off than a healthy percentage of other SL clubs and better off than a few. I think people should move on and be more concerned about our performances on the field.'"
Surely you can see the connection between these issues and on the field performance. Eventually, if things continue in the same vein, the club may need to look at reducing the cost of the playing squad and we would end up where we have been in the past selling or letting go our better players in an effort to try and balance the books.
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| Does any one spend time searching for other clubs with CCJs? Do they have them too? The only reason I hear about ours is via a rather sad Cas fan discovery being posted on here.
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| Quote ="vastman"[uSo what, there is no affordable credit available to a club like ours these days - so why not fight to save money the old fashion way by not paying for shoddy goods.[/u
You call it struggling but have you seen the books?
No, AG has and must have his reasons.
We may well be struggling but we mat not, both are assumptions.'"
If they are all from the same company, it matters not, as the court have found against us, so clearly they did not agree that the goods/services were shoddy. In instances where they have ruled a lower amount was to be paid than that which the claimant was seeking, why have we not paid straight away?
If the 8 or more are from various companies, and we are refusing to pay due to shoddy goods/services, then I would strongly suggest whoever is awarding the contracts is not going through the appropriate due diligence/tender process -and the club needs to rectify this.
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| It's amazing how we go from an imaginative thread about Tim Smith going to Salford, onto we're doomed and the club is skint.
Whilst none of us know the actual state of the clubs finances, the post about the club taking on the new shirt sponsor, I think, was excellent work by the club and comment about it possibly being less than the France deal is irrelevant as Mr France is paying nil pounds, so it pretty certain that we have improved in this area.
Also as mentioned, some very successful companies do have ccj's against their name and although it may be preferable not to have them, sometimes they are a fact of life, context is everything, not the headline.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's amazing how we go from an imaginative thread about Tim Smith going to Salford, onto we're doomed and the club is skint.
Whilst none of us know the actual state of the clubs finances, the post about the club taking on the new shirt sponsor, I think, was excellent work by the club and comment about it possibly being less than the France deal is irrelevant as Mr France is paying nil pounds, so it pretty certain that we have improved in this area.
Also as mentioned, some very successful companies do have ccj's against their name and although it may be preferable not to have them, sometimes they are a fact of life, context is everything, not the headline.'"
When the club budgeted at the end of last season they did not kno Eric France were going bust so the money they were due to pay was not received. The new deal will be for less money therefore a hole to fill albeit a smaller one than had no new sponsor have been found
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Surely you can see the connection between these issues and on the field performance. Eventually, if things continue in the same vein, the club may need to look at reducing the cost of the playing squad and we would end up where we have been in the past selling or letting go our better players in an effort to try and balance the books.'"
I'm sure CCJ's are like water off a ducks back to Glover with financial clout like he's got. Whilst not being a Sugar Daddy he's certainly not bart a few bob. Let the man do his job, he ain't done too bad so far.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Once the judgement is made you have lost you need to pay. Not paying is not good.
I said difficulty getting credit (not finance). If the club can't get credit how do they owe people money in the first place? No credit means people insisting on cash up front or not dealing with us. This can result in more pressure on cash flow and/or paying more for services because we have less choice of who to deal with.'"
The Northampton issue is an on line service. If you do a bit of research you will see we have not paid the amounts that were applied for once the jusgement is made its not the end of it.
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| I dont understand why fans feel the need to bring the club down. I have been trinity for over 40 years and see the club in much better shape than its been for yonks. In AG you have an owner thats put money back in the cluband has the best interest of the club at heart.
Give the club a break , together we are stronger my -rs
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| Quote ="lampyboy"I dont understand why fans feel the need to bring the club down. I have been trinity for over 40 years and see the club in much better shape than its been for yonks. In AG you have an owner thats put money back in the cluband has the best interest of the club at heart.
Give the club a break , together we are stronger my -rs'"
So no one should air an opinion other than ones that praise the club. Maybe the clubs strapline should be changed to Together we are Sheep
I support the club and team, but that does not mean, I don't have a right to question some of the things they do and how they do them.
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| Tricky
You can do whatever you like when you like. Many of the opinions are based on ear say and guess work, and not based on fact.
You also have the right to ask questions, just not sure you will get an informed response on the Wakey forum.
Seems to me that many feel the need to look on the neg side of things, the pots half empty and all that.
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