Are we getting what we hoped or expected from Andy Glover??

I remain confused as to why someone who didnt follow the game and had only attended a hand full of Wakefield matches would buy the club.

To make money??There must be easier ways of making money than investing in pro sport,that notoriously swallow money into a black hole.

He makes all the right noises,but actions speak louder than words.

Some of the actions we have seen:

Releasing Millard and Jeffries -- presumably to cut wage bill?
Signing more overseas players,that are no better than whats available here -- presumably because they were cheaper?

Some of the words we have read:

The biggest announcement in the clubs history!!!Was it really?

We are close to a major signing,again,again and again.And then we announce its Tadulala!!!!

The guy is clearly very good at the pr side,weve had our expectations built up time and time again in his short reign -- so we will continue to part with our cash.

Personally i feel like ive been had by the double glazing salesman i should never have invited into my home.
Or am i being too harsh?
Is he really the Knight in Shining Armour that will drive us forward?

I dont see anyone else who is willing or able... watching from 13000 miles away I see lots of good stuff laying the foundations for further development...

you cant totally re-float a sinking ship in 4 months....

Hmmmmm. I am sort of starting to feel the same turfed out, but as Spook says, maybe we have to allow a little more time to judge. Would u want to throw so much into that black sporting hole if SL cripple your business in 1 felled swoop? I am hoping we will see better once we get the franchise decision. We are stuck in no man's land with no power to really influence events. We'll see AGs true intent whichever way the franchise decision goes

In three weeks time, if we get a SL franchise, he'll be the messiah, and we'll see what he's really made of.

Until then, he's concentrating all his efforts into off field matters, which seems sensible given that the rugby is actually irrelevant right now. All the indications are that he's worked his knackers off to deliver a genuinely impressive franchise application - let's see if that's true.

If anyone's letting the side down at present, it's the coaching and, to a lesser extent, playing staff; that's been done to death on other threads though, so not worth repeating here.

UNBELIEVABLE

Excellent contribution!!!

Congratulations.

Spot on and completely agree and if he didn't come in when he did and buy the club, imo the club would have been no more.

What is it, you believe he's not doing correctly, or what is it, he could be doing more of because from where I'm sitting, I can't see what else he could do, especially in the almost handicapped state where in , with the franchising. I think all he could do, when he took over and in the state the club was in, is to make the franchise application, as strong as possible and he seems to have done that and it's going to cost him plenty of cash in the process, if we redevelop Belle Vue.
Like Bren said, the Coaching staff and players imo have caused this unrest that seems to be appearing, with the poor results and seemingly poor effort because it wasn't like this, till a few weeks ago.
As far as the signings, we know that Hickey was signed ages ago ,so that leaves Tadulala, which must be down to JK. With Glover just being a business man and not a Rugby man, he must obviously take the advise from JK and Elston, so I really can't see how, who we sign can be put on his toes, that's got to be firmly on Kear's and Elston's.

Bar coming in and just throwing money at the team, which was never going to happen and would be a bit pointless given the licence situation, I don't really understand what else anyone expected him to do. He's had a few months and he seems to be going in the right direction. Lets face it he can only really start to show us what he is made of after the decision is made and given that he came in and pretty much saved the club we owe him a bit of time at the very least.

I think you raise some valid points. All you have done is point out the facts as you see them . Now all we can do is wait and see if you are correct

fair enough, i have to say i agree with this.

as an aside, the whole feeling around the place is a bit down due to on the field performances. people say they don't matter, but they do matter if we are to do anything but just survive in the unlikely event we get a franchise. the onfield performances are depressing, but that’s a reflection of the squad and not simply glover of kear. my view is we should have done something to strengthen our squad to keep the fickle public of wakefield on side. kear needs another hand involved when signing players, just to help sense check things.

my views on glover are broadly positive. however i don't know the scale of his financial clout, and seeing as pretty much his first move was to set up a fund raising lottery, i have my doubts as to whether he has enough disposable income to subsidise his hobby of wakefield trinity to a point where they’re worth watching.

I agree that AG knows very little about the game. I am also prepared to accept he has been fully involved in the other off field side of the business. However it is his club and his money. He has trusted people to look after the playing side on his behalf. I don't think they have done a very good job for him and its probably just as well that AG knows very little about rugby because if he did he would know he is being shafted.

I don't know what people were expecting when Andrew Glover took over. We were in administration with no chance of a franchise and looking at a bleak future if any future at all. We had the worst set of players assembled ever to play in the top competition, not by this regime I would add but by the previous.

AG inherited/bought what was a "bag of crap" and its going to take time to turn that "bag of crap" into a "bed of roses". We have improved attendances even when the on field product is not worth watching. Off field activities are improving. Okay some bad signings but don't forget Hickey was signed before administration and for what its worth I think with a full close season and some proper conditioning Hickey will turn out to be a good signing and remember Glover does not pick the team.

We now have a chance of a franchise, something we did not have a few weeks and for what its worth I think we'll get one.

26th July is our watershed. Judge Andrew Glover by what happens after then and next season in SL and not by what he has inherited.

Well said sandalcat.




While i don't see the last two announcements, as being what we were all hoping for, and therefore self defeating, what has happened off the field has been extremely encouraging, and as fans we must not lose sight of that, it will help form what kind of a club we can become.
Unfortunately on field matters are what forms most fans decisions as to wether or not they will attend the next game, we must all stick together and try and look at the bigger picture.
I think an announcement from the club regarding player signings would be a good idea, from a fans perspective this season is a hugely frustrating one and the club would do well to understand that, to maintain support for forthcoming fixtures, goodwill and potential loss of income.
The previous regime strung us along, and many stopped coming, as far as i can see the good work done over the last 5 months could very easily be undone, and quickly, by a number of contributing factors.
Time for the club to man up a bit, i think.

AG's doing ok for me, got us out of administration and has provided Kear with plenty of decent signings that Kear as usual hasn't been able to make shine. I think AG is waiting to see where we are after Franchise announcements to reveal the bigger picture.
He's far from the cloak and dagger of Ted, cringeworthy Di and their men in black.

AG is doing a good job in my opinion.

Some of the points on the OP are nothing to do with him so just throwing mud around to try and make a point.
If you look at the other areas around the club, some big some small there has been a major change. I've been impressed with his contribution.

The playing side is not really his responsibility, apart from the funding.

Which signings are these then?

what he said.

Andrew Glover is a victim of his own publicity on this one, he talked sense, he had plans and he assumed RL was a rational game...oh dear. In real terms he's done OK but he hyped things up for the best of reasons without understanding the beast. This is a club with a 40 year history of false dawns and broken promises. Expectations are low but tolerance levels are even lower, it's best at Trinity to talk up what's happen rather than be optimistic about what might but probably won't happen. So embittered are Trin fans they are primed and ready to attack any perceived failure regardless of how reasonable the excuses.

I was considered as anti Glover a few month back because I didn't go for it and believed that all we'd seen was cosmetic, which wasn't a dig it was realism. We had a great April and expectations went through the roof and here we are which didn't help.

I said at the time it's all hunky dory now but a few big losses and it will be carnage on here - first Kear - now Glover and it will only get worse. It's only a matter of time before Dolly the tea lady comes under pressure. Doesn't matter now the claws are out. People lash out on here in a way they surely can't do in real life, it's amazing really. They just want somebody to make us great again and don't want to wait.

To say Andy Glover didn't know much about RL is an understatement - If I had a small personal fortune I wouldn't waste a penny of it on WT and I love the club. It's just a hiding to nothing.

I don't think he's the messiah, I think he's out of his depth but just like previous regimes he's saved a club that been on life support for generations - for that alone he has my support, but then why wouldn't he as there was no one else mad enough to take it on.

You really write some utter cr*p - we have made absolutely no major signings under AG tenure. I don't know why, maybe there are good reasons but the fact remains we have signed virtually no one.

Which points?

Hes the owner of the club everything concerning the club is to do with him.

I think that the highlighted point is absolutely bang on, and i think from day one he was aware of the power to alienate himself from the support by following the track laid by the previous regime.
Why has he talked up two events that have left many supporters feeling flat? i don't know, maybe he would like to let everyone know the score on that.
What we all need to see however is the bigger picture, and its very difficult, as supporters we have a lot of negativity, over the coach, the players, our past history and the franchise system and constant speculation it causes.
Our relative success's lead supporters to believe a little too much is available with this squad, at the start of the season i was expecting results like the one against Hull KR most weeks. The coach is picking players nobody can understand why, pressure is mounting in the franchise race and we all know where we have been left in that particular scheme.
What i aren't buying into though is your belief that you're some kind of mystic, most people on here know only too well why you "were" anti glover, and lets be honest when things have gone better than we hoped, you softened your stance, now however you are claiming divine gifts.


Lets no waste time raking over the coals, because you and i will never agree, what is important is that as a club and as a group of supporters we stay strong and turn up for the remaining games, we all knew this season was going to be a tough one and so it has proven to be, but hopefully from adversity we will emerge stronger.
July 26th will let us know where we stand and what kind of future the RFL see's fit for us to have
A message for Mr Glover, if you are reading this.
Take head from the mistakes of the past, you know that if you treat the fans with respect they will respond, that has been evident in the rise in attendances, matchday sales, memberships etc.
A clear message of intent will calm many nerves, but no false promises or you will prove to be no more than the double glazing salesman, some claim you to be.

12 months ago if you did a topic on types of people not to trust I'm sure double glazing salesman would be near top of the list, at the end of the day that is what he is. He's a long way to go before he becomes a knight in any armor. I would like to see an in depth interview with Mr Glover explaining the decision to not replace Jeffries amongst other things.

This is the point Kinley, the old regime was AG 17 years ago. They were once popular full of ideas and vigour, very popular at one point not that anyone admits it now. They lasted 17 years but slowly they lost their way and in a n attempt to match expectation eventually lost the plot and the will and then the trust. It wasn't deliberate any more than AG's shortcomings are. All it shows is what a Pandoras box this club is and just what an almost impossible club it is to run. We simply are not able to make the step up from SL survivors - we came close a few years back but couldn't sustain it.

It's not which regime it is that matters, it's the club historical failings that sucks the life it.

Basically the expectations of our fans is way beyond what the old club and now the new club are capable of satisfying. If we don't get NM this club will simply not be able to keep up in SL and will just wither away IMO. TBH it no longer matters what Kear does or Glover it's all down to Yorkcourt and the City Planners - RL is a different world these days.

I may be in the minority here but I fail to see how not replacing Jeffries was Glover's decision. As he has stated enough times in the past he knows very little about the playing side of things. Surely the decision not to replace a player falls squarely at the feet of the coaches. I an pretty certain nobody has come out and said we got rid of Jeffries on the say so of Mr Glover and are not allowed to replace him. Like it was earlier stated he apparently released Millard too, but if my memory serves Millard went whilst we were in administration.

Seriously people are screaming for these quality signings but who are they???

How do we as a club attract players to come join us when they may well be leaving again come the end of the season?

Although the jury is still out on our current regime. Ultimately franchising is the reason there is no activity on the player recruitment front.

We would all love to see the cheque book opened and players signed, but that is because we are talking as supporters and as we are all aware supporting the club and running the club are two very different beasts. Ask yourself this, if you were running the club and had no idea where the future lie (because it wasn't your decision). What would you do??

I have never run a business but even I would guess it doesn't make good economical sense to throw money at something just for the sake of it.

First thing I would do is win the fans trust which he has not done, honesty is the only option in my opinion, was he honest in his build up for the meeting? Was he honest in the build up to the signing of semi? Has he been honest in the "I am mr detail" statement, I am overall happy with the changes he has made I'm not happy about the tell fans what they want to hear, it didn't work for Ted, it will not work for Mr Wright and it will not work for mr Glover, all good things come to an end, John Kear 12 months ago could have had a contract for life here with mist supporters but know I'm guessing at least 60-70% would like him to walk, if Mr Glover would like to see out another few years I would suggest he starts being open and honest about where the club are heading.