List players who became big names with big reputations and long careers that in your opinion they simply didn't seem to deserve. Don't make it a list of really poor players who you just don't like. Justify if you wish but you don't have too but be prepared to be shot down or fight your corner.

I'll kick off

Steve McNamara - Average when he was at his best, made a career off the back of the good teams he played in. Everything IMO that's wrong with British players and in our game is encapsulated in the longevity of this particular player.

Danny McGuire- For me he is like BJ a player who can back up and that is it. The only reason he has scored the amount of trys he has is because he has played for Leeds when they have had the best team. If he was playing for us he would be regarded as an average player at best.

Ade Gardener- I have always thought he is poor in defence, iffy under the high ball and has only scored so many trys because he has played outside because he has played outside Lyon and Gidley who are 2 of the best centres to play in the Super League era.

Brent Todd, came over with a big reputation, in the late 80's but was absolutely average.
Compared with John Glancy (all the way from Sheffield) Todd was poor.

Francis Cummins. Got a ridiculous amount of acclaim for effectively staying out of the way.

Monty beatham the game is about more than tackling ouch tin hat time !

He had a kicking game as well. Don't you remember his sideways kick to James Evens to score a try in the million pound game. The fact he beat seven bells out of Ryan McGoldrick also makes him a great player IMO

I rated Monty. One of those players you need in a team, good leader and awesome in defence!

Belting Ryan McGoldrick surely exonerates Betham from appearing on this list.

100% agree.

I have to agree it is and I'm no great Monty fan, but if the point of him at Wakey was his tackling then I do kinda get him I'm afraid so for me he doesn't count.

Sean Rudder - played a few games for us at Castleford and left - waste of a contract. He was backup to Andrew Johns at Newcastle Knights.

I heard he wasn't very good at steering the team round the field

Up to date - Ryan Bailey; a consistently average squad player who receives a disproportionate amount of attention due to his 5hithouse tactics.

Here are mine in no order.

Wellens
Sinfield

Both mainly because they are talked up to be world class which they clearly are not and never could be.

Daryl Goulding (International shirt for putting the ball over the line in a good team)
Robbie Paul
Phil Bailey
Bobbie Goulding

Stuart Fielden the must overrated prop I have seen

Paul Sculthorpe dirty overrated sod

Harry Pinner

Danny Mcguire, i would have agreed a few years ago, but as he has got older he has become more than just a support runner and you only have to look how much better the Leeds side is with him in it. Ive lost count of the number of times he has won them games on his own with a match winning try or assist and that includes semis and major finals which is when the true top class players come into there own.

Mcnamara is the big one for me. I thought he played his best rugby at Hull when he was young and they were playing him at prop just before he left. After that i thought he was average in a very good Bradford side. He played under so many good coaches who had him in the side everyweek, but i just could not see what he offered?? What was i missing???

Player that i thought was average until they signed for Wakey and i got to watch them every week and realised i was wrong = Mike Forshaw. Did he not keep us up on his own 1 year?? Even playing SO in parts?!

Player that i thought was average before they signed and then realised i was right = Julian O'Neill/Jeremy Smith

Player that i thought was good until they signed at which point i realised they were average = Ged Byrne

For me if Wellens had 2 yards more pace he would have being world class
Agree ref Sinfield

That counts with a lot of players to be fair. Personally I think Wellens limitations are well known so I do get him.

Sinfield, yep someone please tell me what he's about - he's good but not that good.

Sinfield has a good kicking game and can kick goals but other than that is not that good IMO.

I thought Sculthorpe was top quality add to that him putting Baily on his backside with 1 punch then he was one of my non Wakey favoutites!

If a good leader is a player who gets sent off just before half time in the most important game in the clubs recent history leaving his team mates who he is supposed to be setting a good example to one player short for 40 minutes then you are right .

Billy Conway was a great defender but if could in forward too.

This was my first thought.

Ged Byrne was a good example. Got in a great Wigan side week in week out as a utility back. Toppo paid 75 grand for him and said he would be the missing link in our team if was average for us.

He wasn't. He didn't even last the full season with us.

darryl powell for me how this guy played 30 odd times for great britain is unbelievable one of the most over rated players ever