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| As this subject is cropping up more and more it will be interesting to see exactly how many want JK to go.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"As this subject is cropping up more and more it will be interesting to see exactly how many want JK to go.'"
No point him going now. Still believe there is no one better placed to coach this club and any improvement in form would only be short term.
As a club I hope Trinity have left short term thinking back when relegation was abolished.
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| I agree. Kear to stay for me.
Just interested to see how many of the Trin faithful actually want him to go.
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| See the season out and then decide for me
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"No point him going now. Still believe there is no one better placed to coach this club and any improvement in form would only be short term.
As a club I hope Trinity have left short term thinking back when relegation was abolished.'"
Exactly. The only benefit I could see would possibly be a short term bounce. since their isno relegation this is of little use and the club should be looking medium to long term. We have been on an upward trend ever since he arrived. The rugby is currently dire but we've had it worse. I believe with a close season to regroup we will be ok next year. Keep the faith for me and just ride out this particularly mind numbing phase
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| No point in sacking him with the season nearly over,have we got just 7 fixtures left.I think we have a better chance of pulling things round with John as coach than with a new coach.
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| What is wrong ? Is it the coach,the team or the club itself ? Something is not right , but this is just another chapter in the sorry story of Wakefield Trinity.
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| John to stay for me. The club however, do need to make sure he has more funds for next seasons recruiting. He has done wonders on a shoe string, now is the time to make his and our lives easier by enabling him to buy better players.
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| Stay.
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| Personally I think the end of the road is nigh for Kear, he has done a cracking job overall and becuase of him we are still here. That said, I don't think the great escape buys you immunity for ever and we have repaid our debt to him, it works both ways too (Catalans job for example).
Me, I would like to see us go down the route of Wigan and Huddersfield, and try recruit an assistant from the NRL who is looking for a break - fair enough there may not be any suitable candidates who would come at the moment (only take a passing interest in the NRL so no idea who) but its clear from watching their game on a Saturday it is light years above and we need somebody with experience of the latest coaching techniques to make sure we keep progressing as a club - look at what McQuire has done at Wigan with basically the same side as last year. Failing this should we need a replacement any quicker than such person can be brought in I would look at Ian Milward - proven track record (and his sides generally play entertaining stuff, should at least help getting a bit of interest back for many).
Kear has been good for us, but nothing lasts for ever and we need a change before we start to stagnate.
Assuming we have to pay Kear off for the remainder of his contract to get rid though, can't see anything changing soon so I suppose we better all keep our fingers crossed and hope he can do his "up for it" routine for the next 2 games to keep our ever diminishing top 8 hopes alive.
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| Go, I'm afraid to say. I don't think we are capable of climbing out of the hole we are currently in and I would like to see us try to do something different. It's not just the defeats but the manner and magnitude of them which is so demoralising. Even if we continued to lose but played more entertaining RL, I would be happier. Although the fact the club is broke and the matter of JK's compensation will mean we have to make the best out of what we have.
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| He should resign before the current squad ruins his coaching options for good, the players are making a mockery of him and what he has done at the club until 14 games ago.
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| Stay - cannot think of anyone better that this club can afford
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| Stay - But I want to see things change and also players / team change.
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| Look at the whole picture. We made fine signings to start the new season. This is taken away from us. We struggle with, lets be honest, inadequate replacements (but the only players that were available.)
John Kear is not just our coach. He does give us great awareness in the media (Sky, BBC etc.) How many of our other coaches have made it on TV, radio etc covering games.
We also need him for our Super League franchise.
Right, chew on this. I'm almost certain that with John in charge, we have a greater chance of a Super League life than without him.
On the field it's awful at the minute. I have every sympathy for paying fans. Do we see the season out? Yes. Will there be playing staff changes for next season. Sure. Will there be a new coach in charge? Not sure. Do we get rid now? No.
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| Quote ="Mary Millington"Look at the whole picture. We made fine signings to start the new season. This is taken away from us. We struggle with, lets be honest, inadequate replacements (but the only players that were available.)
John Kear is not just our coach. He does give us great awareness in the media (Sky, BBC etc.) How many of our other coaches have made it on TV, radio etc covering games.
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Right, chew on this. I'm almost certain that with John in charge, we have a greater chance of a Super League life than without him.
On the field it's awful at the minute. I have every sympathy for paying fans. Do we see the season out? Yes. Will there be playing staff changes for next season. Sure. Will there be a new coach in charge? Not sure. Do we get rid now? No.'"
Others have also stated this!!!
Which begs the question -- why did we allow Catalans to talk to him.
Doesnt make sense if Kear is so integral to our renewal bid.
As for should he stay or go,he should have gone weeks ago.
Outdated coaching methods.
I suggested a repalcement months ago -- Trent Robinson.
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| Quote ="Mary Millington"Look at the whole picture. We made fine signings to start the new season. This is taken away from us. We struggle with, lets be honest, inadequate replacements (but the only players that were available.)
John Kear is not just our coach. He does give us great awareness in the media (Sky, BBC etc.) How many of our other coaches have made it on TV, radio etc covering games.
We also need him for our Super League franchise.
Right, chew on this. I'm almost certain that with John in charge, we have a greater chance of a Super League life than without him.
On the field it's awful at the minute. I have every sympathy for paying fans. Do we see the season out? Yes. Will there be playing staff changes for next season. Sure. Will there be a new coach in charge? Not sure. Do we get rid now? No.'"
Hit the nail on the head...Agree 100% !!
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| I like JK and he's done a great job but the big problem with JK is when it goes wrong he seems unable to turn things around.
The other issue that concerns me more is how for the last 2 seasons especially, come the business end of the season we have fallen away badly. More so this time and far earlier than previously.
Can he turn it around before the end of the season? I don't think he can.
Give him until the end of the season then judge him? Surely we have seen enough over the last 3/4 seasons to make that call now.
For me, give a new man the chance to review what he's got and hopefully give the team the kick up the backside it currently needs and who knows we may still have a small chance of making the 8.
I think JK's lost the changing room, player's don't seem to be playing for him and results are simply not good enough.
Time for a change for me as harsh and upsetting as it may be.
Sorry JK, thanks for the memories but enough is enough as far as I am concerned.
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| If we sack JK and I dont think we would be daft enough it would end my 35 year support of the club and no i am not bulls@iting it would be over
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| You say that but 1 week ago JK was ready to down tools and walk away from the club to France....
So it's ok for him to dump the club but not the other way round....?
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| Quote ="Come On The Trin"You say that but 1 week ago JK was ready to down tools and walk away from the club to France....
So it's ok for him to dump the club but not the other way round....?'"
If JK decided to go who could blame him Ted Richardson & CO must be a bloody nightmare to work under they are bloody useless just like Woodward was and all the bloody rest what we need at Wakefield is a competent board something we have lacked for 40 years.
But no I am sorry after all he has done for this club to sack him for a poor 12 match run would be so wrong
Is it his fault Newton was a complete k@ob was it his fault Tronc was a pussy was it his fault Brough wanted more money than he was worth or the club could afford is it this fault we spend nowhere near the salary cap or the general public in Wakefield could not give a toss about professional rugby league or Wakefield Trinity
I bet you the likes of Tony Smith or that idiot at Bradford could not get Wakefield anywhere near the play offs with the very limited resources Jk has to work with
I feel very strongly about this John Kears only error for me was the signing of Paul Cooke
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| Definitley stay
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"If JK decided to go who could blame him Ted Richardson & CO must be a bloody nightmare to work under they are bloody useless just like Woodward was and all the bloody rest what we need at Wakefield is a competent board something we have lacked for 40 years.
But no I am sorry after all he has done for this club to sack him for a poor 12 match run would be so wrong
Is it his fault Newton was a complete k@ob was it his fault Tronc was a pussy was it his fault Brough wanted more money than he was worth or the club could afford is it this fault we spend nowhere near the salary cap or the general public in Wakefield could not give a toss about professional rugby league or Wakefield Trinity
I bet you the likes of Tony Smith or that idiot at Bradford could not get Wakefield anywhere near the play offs with the very limited resources Jk has to work with
I feel very strongly about this John Kears only error for me was the signing of Paul Cooke'"
Its fine to state all the things that arent Kears fault and i do think the gods have conspired ever so slightly agianst him.
However,its Kear that has blundered time and again with some mind boggling team selections.
Was Henderson injured yesterday,im unsure,but he deserved a place infront of quite a few others.
Its Kear that is coaching a mind numbingly boring 5 drives and a kick style rugby.We rarely string more than 2 passes together in a set until the fourth tackle.
We looked so clueless on attack yesterday,in the first half we had 3/4 sets on the HKR line,no guile,no ideas,the result Cooke throws a long pass for the interception.
Its Kears players that look lethargic and unfit.
Its Kears coaching methods that are out dated.
Its Kears team that isnt producing the goods in either desire or application.
I dont disagree that his budget is limited and quite frankly you cant polish a turd,however, Kear had a track record for getting better than average out of average players.We still on the whole have the same average players,but Kear is now getting below average out of these average players.
Thanks for your efforts John,but time to move on.
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| I think the vote results speak for themselves.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I think the vote results speak for themselves.'"
well let it continue if thats what you want
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