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| From this weeks paper...
‘League Express understands that 88M have served a schedule of dilapidations on Trinity to reflect the cost of bringing the stadium into good repair. The cost is estimated to be at least £400,000’.
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| That'll be the end of Spirit of 1873 Ltd then, on to a new ground with a new company name
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| As I expected. All parties are trying to co-ordinate and hammer trinity into a corner. I must say they are co-ordinating very well in that regard. The club staying silent with now three statements does not bode well for the club on a public front.
On a legal front we will see. Lools like the club are losing the arm wrestle unless there's a good hand to play on our side. Taking a political battering at the moment.
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| Yep, rightly or wrongly both League Express and League Weekly articles depict us of at least 'heel dragging' or even worse being unreasonable.
Whether we like it or not that is the ' state of play'.
Not good.
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| Quote ="thebeagle"Yep, rightly or wrongly both League Express and League Weekly articles depict us of at least 'heel dragging' or even worse being unreasonable.
Whether we like it or not that is the ' state of play'.
Not good.'"
Unfortunately we are under fire from all angles now. Even if we do decide to up sticks then there's a £400k bill to contest now. Seems like the clubs options are becoming limited.
Hate to see this happening to my club and hope there's some actual good news off the field to come. What started as a good off season full of promise is looking like it could turn into a fastravk to hell. A bit extreme but I'm getting a little worried about what will happen to the mighty trinity.
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"That'll be the end of Spirit of 1873 Ltd then, on to a new ground with a new company name'"
Like the mystery one that’s been registered at companies house you mean?
At the moment this is still paper talk but stories like this don’t just get made up out of thin air, there has to be something in it. What’s the betting that the 400K bill would be ripped up should we sign up to the Belle Vue deal?
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| So 88m are basically saying that since they bought the stadium, about a year or so ago, the ground needs spending £400k to bring it back to the standard it was when they purchased it, because that's my limited understanding of a Schedule of Dilapidation. Seems obvious they are trying to force us one way or the other. So much for 88m hey, but it seems all par for the course.
I was so looking forward to next season, especially after last and getting to see the new players plus any offers we may sign and see the team carry on it's improvemnets and I thought we'd agreed to stay at Belle Vue another year, obviously things have changed. All this that's happening is obviously making it unbeilevably hard for the Club in the off season, when all signs just a month ago suggested it shouldn't have been.
But more than that, it must be worrying for fans & even the players we've got, hearing news like this all the time. I just hope the Club has a plan behind all this silence and we can move on to next season because it's become more than worrying imo.
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| Interesting one. Another stick to hit the club with. I guess it depends on what it says in the lease contract.
Quote [iAs a tenant, it is vital that all lease covenants are evaluated before
entering into a lease. For example, ‘to keep in repair’ requires the
tenant to first put the property into repair and this could be at a
great cost. The condition of the property before lease commencement
becomes largely irrelevant during dilapidations negotiations,
unless this is specially agreed and formally documented, perhaps
by way of Schedule of Condition, within the lease.[/i
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But there are also limits:
Quote [iA common misconception is that landlords can profit from a dilapidations
claim. Agreement of a financial settlement must only relate to
actual loss incurred as a result of the tenant’s failure to comply with
their lease. It is also important to note that landlords cannot expect
a building to be returned to ‘as new’ condition, only the condition
dictated by the lease covenants.
Section 18(1) of the Landlord and Tenant Act 1927 caps the
level of damages that can be claimed at lease end. It states that the
claim for damages cannot exceed the amount by which the value
of the premises is diminished owing to the breach. It further limits
the claim if you are to plan to redevelop or make substantial alterations
to the premises after lease expiry.[/i'"
Section 18(1) itself:
Quote 18 Provisions as to covenants to repair.
(1)Damages for a breach of a covenant or agreement to keep or put premises in repair during the currency of a lease, or to leave or put premises in repair at the termination of a lease, whether such covenant or agreement is expressed or implied, and whether general or specific, shall in no case exceed the amount (if any) by which the value of the reversion (whether immediate or not) in the premises is diminished owing to the breach of such covenant or agreement as aforesaid; [size=150=#FF0000and in particular no damage shall be recovered for a breach of any such covenant or agreement to leave or put premises in repair at the termination of a lease, if it is shown that the premises, in whatever state of repair they might be, would at or shortly after the termination of the tenancy have been or be pulled down, or such structural alterations made therein as would render valueless the repairs covered by the covenant or agreement.[/size'"
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| I can't imagine MC would have agreed to a lease where we had to keep it in better condition, thus basically improving the Stadium, than when 88m bought it. Also like it says in the last sentence of the second paragraph, this seems to be a way to push Trinity out or into whatever scheme they have for the stadium, because it's obvious that if we went, it would be knocked down just as quick as the Superbowl was and they'd redevelop the ground.
It makes you laugh though when they bought the whole area for around the £600k asking price anyway.
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| So this is a coordinated attack lead by Box, he obviously has McKay in his pocket as Mackay stands to make millions from not building a stadium at Newmaeket, 88M have firmly nailed there colours to Box`s mast , you have got to wonder what Box will have given Hussain in order to get him to be so aggressive in his approach. These people do not act in this manner unless they are going to to get a huge return, Box wants the mosque on BV and Hussain will make a decent return. That said I think there must be more to this to get Hussain to come out a be Box`s bully boy. I can only imagine that Box is looking after him in some other way.
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| I think MC might have been smart enough to see this one coming.
If this matter is in the hands of solicitors, with the club still awaiting legal advice, there's no response going to come quick! Glaciers move quicker than solicitors.
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| Quote ="coco the fullback"Interesting one. Another stick to hit the club with. I guess it depends on what it says in the lease contract.
But there are limits
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As you say a lot will be down to the small print. As for the second part it will i guess depend on what the plans for the ‘Trinity-less’ community stadium are. If all of a sudden the lack of the need for a shiny new build means it becomes the current structure with a bit of a spruce up then it opens up a loophole that 88M seem to be all over.
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| Should "commercially sensitive" information be in the public domain ?
Usually this kind of stuff would be kept between tenant and landlord. Maybe I'm just old fashioned.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Should "commercially sensitive" information be in the public domain ?
Usually this kind of stuff would be kept between tenant and landlord. Maybe I'm just old fashioned.'"
One senses that the sharks are moving in for the kill. Let's hope that there's some hidden life and strength in the target.
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| All the people with money's to make, turning the screw now. There needs to be a strong and clear statement from the club soon. Although Yorkcourt have almost been forgotten about in this whole saga, it seams.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"So this is a coordinated attack lead by Box, he obviously has McKay in his pocket as Mackay stands to make millions from not building a stadium at Newmaeket, 88M have firmly nailed there colours to Box`s mast , y[uou have got to wonder what Box will have given Hussain in order to get him to be so aggressive in his approach.[/u These people do not act in this manner unless they are going to to get a huge return, Box wants the mosque on BV and Hussain will make a decent return. That said I think there must be more to this to get Hussain to come out a be Box`s bully boy. I can only imagine that Box is looking after him in some other way.'"
Dont know if it was on here or twitter that someone said that 88M would get the land in thornes park (college site i would guess?)
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"Dont know if it was on here or twitter that someone said that 88M would get the land in thornes park (college site i would guess?)'"
We could put the ground there, it would be ideal
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| The Queen is been investigated for a 10 million pound tax Haven lol . Shows what we are up against .
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"We could put the ground there, it would be ideal
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That will never happen.
But Wakefield College need somewhere central and not too expensive for some sporting facilities, 88M need a major tennant for their community facilities. Bingo!
The council and college are pushing for Wakefield to become a university city but the college need funds to make it happen. They are sat on some prime real eastate at Thornes Park that could be sold. 88M like buying land if the price is right and would be willing to strike a low rental deal for a lower purchse price. Bingo!
Council waves through whatever planning permission is required by 88M on that site, in the meantime the PP at Newmarket has lapsed, Trinity have turned down the chance of remaining in the city and weakened its hand, and Yorkcourt apply for a change to the section 106 as it is no longer deemed relevent to the current situation. If that fails then the stadium still never gets built and in all likelihood the land returns to greenbelt that was previously and just the brownfield land is developed. Bingo!
All coming together nicely for everyone but the club who are up one of those infamous creeks.
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| Thanks for making us all feel worse
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| This is clearly part of coordinated strategy - as I said last week, WMDC, YCP and 88M are playing us off the park - quite literally by the looks of it. It's a real shame, with all the optimism from a few weeks ago, that we are once again in a parlous state; and this time, we are getting no support in the media. The PR battle is lost.
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| Quote ="bren2k"This is clearly part of coordinated strategy - as I said last week, WMDC, YCP and 88M are playing us off the park - quite literally by the looks of it. It's a real shame, with all the optimism from a few weeks ago, that we are once again in a parlous state; and this time, we are getting no support in the media. The PR battle is lost.'"
We've lost the media battle because there had been, for whatever reason, no rebuttal from the club. What are the public (and I don't mean those of us behind mc) to think?
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| Quote ="bren2k"This is clearly part of coordinated strategy - as I said last week, WMDC, YCP and 88M are playing us off the park - quite literally by the looks of it. It's a real shame, with all the optimism from a few weeks ago, that we are once again in a parlous state; and this time, we are getting no support in the media. The PR battle is lost.'"
Until the club make a statement on not sure how the media could help.
I've said before I'm ready to back Carter and the Trust.......but I don't know what I'm actually backing them on.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Until the club make a statement on not sure how the media could help.'"
They helped last time - Mr Box's intransigence was suddenly suspended when Jeremy Cross started publishing articles in a national that were very critical of WMDC's attitude and approach; now that has died down, he's back to his old self - only this time, he's acting punitively rather than just being obstructive - which I gather is his MO.
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| Can you all just stand back, have a look at the wider picture and consider what is happening here.
I will start by saying they are not winning the battle. This is just a skirmish. The club have sat back from any media announcement but it doesn't mean things are not happening. However by remaining silent, it has caused WMDC to make two ridiculous outbursts to the press. Further press comments by other journalists that are ill researched and can easily be re butted. But best of all 88G have already started 'to shoot their load' and without lifting a finger they have bitten and took the bait. They have now shown what type of people they really are. What their intentions really are and how we should not believe a word they are saying. Let them carry on blurting out like spoilt kids because all they are doing is revealing their true hand and loosing total credibility. All of this and we have not done anything !!
Now a few other points people have mentioned.
Yorkcourt are at the back sing because all this has taken the spotlight away from them, in fact in some peoples eyes they have been forgotten totally. This is being done intentionally by the council to get them out of the mess and move on.
Sacred Cow has also summarised it correctly but only partially. You see Yorkcourt are already looking to add furher millions to what they have already made. Its obvious 88G are in for this to do the same and seeing as someone has mentioned Thornes Park, I will stake my reputation that when we find out what the full details of what that is, the stench will be just as strong as Newmarket.
The reason for these outbursts are because the silence of the club is really getting under their skins. They see millions of pounds within touching distance and all their devious plans depend on one factor, Wakefield Trinity. The club has and is being used as a ploy, but unless it agrees to their demands they are
stuffed.
They may be stealing media time, you may think they hold all the cards. But the one card that matters, the true Ace is held by the club. They know that and more than anyone MC and CB realise that.
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