Whats with the negativity? I know we got but thrusted by Cas but we did them over early in the season and no one was complaining then. We operate on a salary cap have the size of everyone else (except Cas) so the fact that we are not in the bottom two is positive in its self. We are going to lose games against teams around us and we are also going to win some, we are not good enough to win most weeks , most weeks we are going to get bummed and despite what some people think the players do always give 100%.

Until we get a new ground and the weird folk of wakefield come on mass to support the team we are never going to be better than alan average.

So chill out its only a game and accept that we are not Leeds or Wigan .........................yet





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That's the problem there was very little commitment shown on Saturday by most players.

Whilst I appriciate your posativity Saturday was an embarresment, not the fgact that we lost but the fact that we looked like a school boy outfit they are pro players getting payed a wage an should perform thuis not puit in a display like we witnessed Saturday.

We all have bad days.

Agar has always said that when some players play poorly, we haven't got the team/squad to be able to carry them like some do.
Some had poor games on Saturday and that set the scene for all.

There were some that diod their best, it is just they are not the type of players that can turn a game on their own.

Even Tim Smith as the best player need others to be running around him.
Near the end he kept trying to run the ball in and got hammered because there was no other option and they could just spot him every time.

I don't think that there is any argument that we wont win every week, but disagree strongly with your assertion that the players are all giving 100%.
The writing was on the wall at KR last week, when we gave up in the 2nd half (and this was despite having a 2 point lead at h.t.)
The other more worrying aspect is that we have been thrashed by 2 very average teams, plus we now seem to have injuries to some of our key players.
Sorry mate, I don't think it's time to chill, more a case of the players and coaching staff need to have a good look at themselves and decide if they are giving 100%.

I looked at the fixtures three weeks ago and thought potentially 4 points out of next 6, if we want top eight it needed to be at least 2

result zero, second half at hull kr was awful, castleford merely was more of same, hull was like watching men playing boys.

No doubt we will be gallant losers against wigan papering over the cracks

We have just been slaughtered by two teams around us in league -

I agree with most of what you say here but please don't knock the support. The support over the last 18 months has been very good to say how the team have performed (last season's late surge excepted!)
The people of Wakefield are not weird (apart from those who hang about in Kirkgate!)they are realists who are sick to death of false dawns. The support Wakefield get is, frankly what they deserve. Diehard supporters plus perhaps 15-20% extra.
When/If Wakefield rise from mediocrity and show some consistency, the real support will show itself - until then make the best of what you have because it won't get any better in the short term.

you are misunderstanding me Sandal boy, the support is quality I agree I am talking about when we get our new ground the rest of the city who don't currently attend games or support wigan, saints, and every other superleague team bar their own , see sense get a job and come and support their own team ALA Wire when they moved from Whirlpool to the HJ

Point taken. Let's hope for some positive news soon on the new ground!

I didn't see the players giving up against Hulll KR or Cas.
A blow out score doesn't mean they gave up.

The biggest problem we have at the moment is ball control. When we give it up easily or drop the pass when we are attacking we are not only killing our attack, we are doubling our defensive effort which means we run out of steam, no matter what effort we are putting in.
Our game is built on quick play the balls and good go forward from the pack. Against cas we had none of that. We didn't keep the ball for long stretches of the game which meant we were constantly trying to push the pass which made it worse.
Carney had a field day mostly because the players were just not able to slide out wide to him. When you are flapping from a distance he is going to just swat you off. We stopped him when Kirmond was over there but it was too late by that stage.

I am certain all the players gave effort, I'm also sure we played badly. The two aren't always the same thing.

The reality is , that up to a couple of weeks ago we were a team that looked like it was making progress, a win against Hemel, Widnes and Catalan, although not perfect, it was good to get those wins. Why change a winning team to accommodate players coming back from injury. Stick with the players that are in the team, isn't that what creates competition for places and player motivation? That you have to earn your place back in the team, not be given it on a plate. Nothing better to de-motivate a player, than give him the impression that no matter how he performs while the player he is replacing is out, as soon as said player is fit, he's back in. Complacency for player coming back from injury. Thoroughly dicked off play he is displacing.

It matters not where Wakey play, new ground or belle view, if they are not playing competitivly the supporters will not come, save for the diehards who have been supporting trin from back in the day when we were a side to contend with in any competition. It is also not a case of seing sense it is a case of being entertained by a team that are performing at 100% of their capabilities and that is win or loose. I have been a supporter of trinity for more years than I care to mention and if on the day the side have given it their best shot I am not going to rip up my season ticket but it is heartbreaking when you stand on the terrace and see a team that is under peforming. I don't know what the bit about "get a job" has anything to do with supporting Wakefield.

There is no doubt we can become equal to wire support wise if we move to Newmarket. However unless we move with a decent team that is well established it will be an exercise in futility. I don't know what the timescale is but we ought to be building now and hit new market riding high. However I know we all thought we had a bright future when the club was re born but it looks like we are slowly slipping back to where we were before.

New supporters will not be attracted to a loosing side and some present supporters will soon start to loose interest.

The support they get is more than they deserve in my opinion, especially at the moment. I'm trudging on at 50 yrs old but, I tell you, you have to ask youself why sometimes. I suppose I'll always be there but the last few weeks, except fo Catalans, have been dire and below what I consider our par to be. I think a 50% win rate is reasonable of a good coach with the squad we have. Defeat is not what troubles me, it's the manner of that defeat

Hit the nail on the head.

28 - 0 in the second half at KR is definitely giving up.
There may be other definitions but it is without doubt submission.
Yes there were lots of mistakes but, if you are not fully switched on that's what happens.


Cas wasn't just as bad, but it certainly feels it, because it's Cas.

You can never ask the lads to give more than they are capable of, all I ask is that they give there all. I think that's the same for the vast majority of Wakefield fans, my casing point for this would be Wigan away, we lost by a margin in the end, but the lads fought tooth and nail on that pitch and I'd hazard a guess that the Wakey fans were louder than the Wigan ones in the end!
My issue is we always seem to have the potential of a good side, then within a season or two we're back to kids, has beens and never was. We have the players out there to win more matches than we are doing. We also have players who need shipping on. But some of Agars coaching decisions have been in explicable and I don't believe he's the man we needed after Kear. Kear did a great job for us, his understudy was never going to be able to build upon that.

You dont go to the games do you? I went to Hull KR and we lost 28-0 that 2nd half it was pathetic all around. If we would have gritted our teeth and tried we may have still lost but 28-0 to a side around us is pathetic. Cas was pathetic 49 points against a side near the bottom is pathetic I am afraid yes Cas played well. The people who go to the games will tell you nobody coaches our defence, same errors every week, Lynn is not upto it give Cowling a shot, recall Mariano etc. Most people will tell you that. If you are happy with the shambles of the last few weeks you must have 0 ambition seriously !

Average team goes through mid season bad form shocker!

Have faith! Agar has delivered one of the most memorable seasons in my 15 of watching Wakey and has a 1/1 strike rate at getting us into the playoffs. Those calling for his head are impatient simpletons at best - have you already forgotten last season? We have to give the guy a chance to get the team firing again, he managed to do it last year so theres no reason to think that this form will go on forever.

We never really started against Cas never mind gave up.

Those who disagree with you are simpletons, thats really not the way forward and a touch childish.

This board allows all posters to express views "within reason" and not be ridiculed or abused, think on.

Reality check, the club overachieved last year on the back a good team spirit, a bit of luck and an excellent run of form when it mattered. At the start of this year when expectations were discussed I thought 10th would be a realistic finish for the club. All that I was looking for was an improvement in the woeful defence on display. If anything, this has got worse, and IMO that is something Agar has failed to address. If he can’t improve the players’ defence both individually and collectively then he needs to get someone in whole can.

Ridiculous opinions deserve to be ridiculed. People calling for his head after a few bad performances, especially after last season need their head looking at - and thats my opinion!

Couldn't agree more, we were fortunate last season that we had so many new players and coaching staff, who all came together as a team and wanted to impress and make an impression. That team spirit is what carried us into the playoffs.

Jonh also makes a very interesting and well thought out point regarding conditioning which has contributed to this season's lull. I'm also questioning whether the players are really performing for Agar, does he fully have their respect? I'm not so sure, and after watching the Magic game back, the two dressing rooms at HT couldn't have been any different.

Lets just hope we can show some significant improvement in the remainder of the season

You'll be one of "the sheep" too then (not that you'll be ridiculed or abused for it, mind - this board is open to all).