Agar:
Enters the season without a recognised goalkicker.
Baffling use of interchanges(Trout & Walshaw)effectively played those games with only 16 men.
Appears not to want to make changes unless forced by injury,even though some players form doesnt merit selection,eg Mellars.
Distinct lack of any attacking moves.
Team:
Too many appear devoid of any real passion.

Tim Smith:
Will you stop turning the ball back on the inside,its boring and predictable and maybe try and take the line on a bit more.
Tim Smith & Isaac John:
Would help if you gave the centres some decent passes,when they actually have a bit of space to work with.

Collis & Mellars
I know its frustrating getting crap service all day,but you still have to defend.
Andy Raleigh:
It maybe an idea to run onto the ball,rather than go from a standing start.

Danny Washbrook:
What exactly does he offer from a pivotal position?Or is he just a mate of Agars?

Im quite surprised that many supporters seemed content with todays display,personally i thought it was gash,boring and unacceptable.I dont for one minute believe that the fundamental flaws will be ironed out by giving the team "time to gel".
It seems to me that the heart and soul have been ripped out of the team and replaced by a group of players that appear content to just turn up and take their money.Not even Paul Johnson seems to be running with the same gutso as he did last year.For me the most outstanding player to date this season is Kyle Wood -- and he just happens to be local.

Agar needs to show some bottle and make changes after 4 defeats on the bounce.Players from the u20s need to know they will get an opportunity to stake a claim --- not a token 5 minutes like Walshaw got today.

Walshaw to start in place of Mellars
Wood start at hooker
Aiton(injury permitting) to LF in place of Washbrook
Ellis in on bench.
Amor in for Raleigh

Said something similar on another thread earlier.The team is picking itself cos they know they are not going to be dropped the week after,this needs sorting otherwise we are once again we are going to be in a battle to avoid the wooden spoon.Even after only 5 games the excuse of "we need time to gel " is starting to wear a bit thin when we are only competing for 20 minutes a game.Maybe the signings made and the expectations after Widnes match are now proving to be a false dawn.

Frustrating again because I doubt many would agree that we aren't capable of being a damn good side with the players we have. 3 years ago I would have passed out with excitement having Ali Lau, Andy Raleigh, Peter Fox and Mathers in our side. We just lack heart, direction and again it's clearly a coaching issue.

Forwards are fine people are not scoring down the middle (generally),it's the centres And wing defence that is letting us down. How many times did the centres or wingers shoot out and miss creating an overlap? I've no issue with that as long as they make the tackle and stop play but when they bounce off , teams will score. This was seen with the 1st try when someone tried it with brough, McGilvrey's second and colliss jumping out in the 2nd half = 16 points

Hard to argue with I would like to see Wood at scrum half dont see Walshaw as a centre 2nd row is his position
to be fair to Raleigh he is not a prop he was knacked in the last 20 minutes yesterday

This wont get sorted anytime soon with Agar he is one of our problems he aint a coach

FWIW I completely disagree with a lot of your rationale.

One things for sure I am enjoying my rugby this season unlike last. I havent seen a game yet where we have not been it most of the game. We havent had the rub of the green as yet. As for the goal kicker this has been well documented by the club they wanted to sign the right calibre, it looks like we could be signing a player from the bulls for this would this be the right calibre?

We are short of a n enforcer again this is well documented.

The slating of OUR players in some quarters is outragious and people need to get a grip. I am happy with most of what I have seen our defence is much tighter although one of our flanks has been hammered. Johns passes yesterday to Cockayne were excellent and the reverse pass by Smith against Bradford was worth the £8 admission alone. I saw some timings coming together yesterday but we are finding it hard as someone else has posted getting on the front foot.

For those ranting about Gareth Moore, how many times did Kear pick him last season for my 2d (for those that remember) Hes not good enough for SL but top of the class in the championship.

The main disappointment for me this term is that yesterday, against Bradford and against KR, we had rafts of possession in our oppositions 20 and even with reapeat sets we couldn't break them down.
All of our tries are comenig with a wide ball to Cockayne with little else offered by way of a "move"
On the plus side, we can certainly play for the full 80 and at Hull last week, although we lost, we were very strong at the end of the game.

Yes. don't think we are far off. Could've easily been 20-24 with 15 mins left and us in the ascendency agaist the top team in the league flying after beating Saints. The pointless use of the 4th sub is something that can be criticised as it's pointless but a lot of other stuff is way over the top

Find it hard to argue with any of that!!!
I would add, that if we are only playing with one recognised prop and southern in the front row, having Walshaw on there is ludicrous, surely having Trout or A.N Onother prop on the bench or in the team would make more sense than having leaving Walshaw to gather splinters there.
On Walshaw, if he's good enough to be on the bench play him, I've seen nothing yet from Collis or Mellars that should put them higher up the pecking order.
Ellis without question should be in the squad IMO with Wood as interchange hooker, the whole dynamic of our game changed (again!!!!) when Wood came on and Aiton went to 13 (this should be all three's regular positions from this game on) both added direct running and gave Issac John a bit more time.
Issac John, showed improvement yesterday, although at times i thought he looked a little lost but i would have loved to have seen him ground his kick through.
Big Ali needs to be coming off the bench and running at tyring players to best exploit his attributes.
That'll do for now.
This week if fit i'd go:
Mathers
Fox
Walshaw
Collis
Cockayne
John
Smith
Amor
Ellis
Wilkes
Southern
Kirmond
Aiton

Ali
Johnson
Wood
Raleigh/Washbrook/Trout.

Interchange Wood Ellis and Aiton if needs be at 9, and if Smith isn't doing anything at 7, interchange Wood with him.

IMO Agar has contributed to three home losses we could have actually won (certainly two of them) by picking ridiculous teams, he wasn't a popular choice and if he continues to pick players that are not best suited it won't be long until the banners are out.
This side is capable of so much more.

I think you have called it corrrectly and I'd go with your team. However I am convinced Collis is not fit he seemed to be struggling with his hamstring the whole of the second half . So it would be the same team but Mellors gets a game instead of Collis.

You are correct Collis isn't fully fit. I understand that he hardly trained last week but did a lot of swimming instead.

I'd go with Kinley's/Your Team with Mellars in for Collis if he isn't fully fit but looking at Aiton at the end of the game I'd be surprised if he is fit.

I'm with you on this one. Despite the loss yesterday I expected a hammering and that wasn't the case. I noticed improvements from previous weeks and hope they can continue!

If Aiton and Collis both not fit then I'd go:

Mathers
Fox
Mellars
Walshaw
Cockayne
John
Smith
Johnson
Ellis
Wilkes
Southern
Kirmond
Trout

Lauititi
Raleigh
Wood
Washbrook

I'm assuming that Amor will not be back for this, if he is then he goes in at prop with Johnson dropping to bench and Washbrook dropping out.

Ellis gets his chance then to show what he can do (which is what everyone seeems to be crying out for).
Washbrook seems to have gone quiet since the Cas friendly and I think LF is Trouts favoured position so give him a shot at it in a game where there is little expectation on us (can't imagine many will have us down for winning this one).
Walshaw gets more than 5 minutes (as quite frankly that was ridiculous yesterday).

According to the man himself, he is expecting to be back next week.

Wouldn't be surprised if he got a run out with the u20's next week to get some game time under his belt first. He was deemed short of match practice before the first game, hence playing at Batley, so that will have got worse. Seems to be Agars way.

Aiton got a bad dead leg apparently and is doubtful for the Warrington game. Wouldn't bother risking him to be honest. I would give Ellis a go, he'll be desperate to show what he can do.

Do we know what the situation is with Matt James? Is he back here because he is injured?

Tim Smith has come up with some nice touches Johns is out of his depth at the minute. Smith and Wood to start next game. Or we could get Gareth Moore back and go with Wood and Moore lol.

Seriously I think if John Kear was in charge we would have won at least 3 of our games this year !

maybe, maybe not. Time to move on.

Who laid on Ben's 3 tries?

'Out of his depth' Isaac John.

How many good in play kicks has he done? 1?

How many times has he taken the line on ? 0 ?

He took the line on a few times and helped clean up a few last tackle back plays. Set up a few. It was a good performance from John.

We just need to get both halfbacks firing. I think there is something in the smith /John partnership and it should be persisted with a while yet.

It's hooker where I would like to see a change and prop/ bodies permitting.

Ellis/ wildie - hooker.

Amor, Johnson to start... Wilkes/ raleigh to interchange.

Southern at prop is not doing any favours to the team despite him probably putting his hand up which Is commendable.

If anything southern looks like he needs a week off and that would benefit him greatly.

Mathers
Fox
Walshaw
Mellars
Cockayne
John
Smith
Amor
Ellis
Johnson
Kirmond
Lauititi
Washbrook

Wildie
Wilkes
Raleigh
Moriano/trout

I'm against wholesale changes but think these would benefit the team.

Walshaw at centre (Atkins centre) could be a good use of walshaws strong tackling.

Would like to see wildie get a bash on last weeks u20 performance while I feel wood was really targeted well by hudds in defence.

THE AGAR EFFECT IS KICKING IN, I WAS GUTTED TO SEE HIM LEAVE HULL



THE SOONER YOUR RID OF HIM THE BETTER