Personally, I can't wait for the kick off and I think we will go well but I am unsure why we need so many overseas players on the books, although the quality this time is far superior.:-

2010 2011
Tony Tony
Henderson Collis
Korki Mellars
Smith J Smith T?
Semi Southern
Tongia Masselot
Jeffreys I.John?
Rinaldi Lauititi
Hickey Obst ?
Morrison Morrison

What are we saying about GB talent? 10 overseas players, excluding the quota rules for Federation, residency, etc. It's a lot of money leaving the UK.

Henderson's scottish and was born in england so don't no why he is there

Don’t worry, Richard Agar is renowned for developing young English talent and he will give plenty of the young lads a go next season.

Shame that we choose to exploit the 'rules' like this but I guess until the RFL tightens up on it then clubs will continue to rely on second/third and fourth rate overseas players.

No all of them do though, Trinity are one of the perennial offenders, and the argument was the club had to do so to remain in the top flight. It has paid off in ensuring the club was in SL at the right time, but now off field criteria has more weight behind it and clubs are judged on young talent they are bringing through there is no reason to continue with this policy.

I totally agree never has there been a better time to be blooding young British talent but it does seem that we are not prepared to do that.

This is a wind up right ? Do you read the hull board ? Agar is renowned for NOT giving kids a chance and would rather bring in second rate or washed up aussies. There will be very few youngsters given a shot this season.

Henderson is not staying is he?

Cos he is non Fed trained and a (second rate) import - and is therefore an import.

We had the chance to get aware from 2nd rate Ozzies, and we appear to have chosen not to take it. Yet again we have taken the easy option and it worries me because the new management seem to be going down the well trodden route of the old management and potentially making the same mistakes.

not prepared to do that? what did we do last year? where did that get us? look around at the other clubs in the division. Their lineups are a mix of overseas imports, players with experience, and youth. A 100% British league, with British players is the dream, but at present that's all it is. It's not ideal, it's certainly not unique, but in order for us to move forward we have to do the same as other clubs. Kids can only get you so far. If we don't want a team of overseas players, but can't compete with kids, what does that leave us with? Look at the England side. It consists of overseas players for a start. This country is hardly flush with good young English talent. The club have recruited well in that market, and have a lot of British kids on our books with potential. But that's all they have right now. Players like Southern, Morrison and Lauititi provide the experience, the leadership, the drive to give these kids something to aspire to. They will get their chance, and when they do it's up to them to show that they have more than potential, and come 3 years time when players like Southern retire, they should be there on new long term contracts to step in and replace them.

to be fair to the club they will be doing exactly what agar wants and has a history of doing.....the only difference now is that the quality of import and value will have reduced from what it was at Hull.

The country is not flushed with english talent for the exact reason of this thread....bringing in overpaid aussies who are playing NSW Cup. That is why our game is where it is.
Look at Hickey for example are you trying to tell me we could not have picked up a better player over here on half his salary ??? I think we all know the answer to that.
I dont mind if the imports are real quality.....i would welcome a Cronk or Thurston every day of the week, but a second grader and a player with more issues than Gary Glitter !!

We were forced into it last year because of finances there is no reason this year why we can't have a better balance but we don't have to go back that other way and load up on as many imports as we can get our hands on. It is not a unique situation but if you look at the 2 sides that got to the grand final this year they both have a good recent record of bringing young British players through so the players are out there. The fact that there are overseas players in the England side only backs up my point that there are far too many overseas players in SL. I'm not saying no overseas signings but there is no need to have 10 in the squad that is a backwards step for the club.

So who came through to replace these from 2008?

Blanch, Martin, Drew, MacGillivary, Demetriou, Obst, Peterson, Henderson, Latu, (Watene)

Or these from 2005:

Halpenny, Demetriou, Domic, Tadulala, Jeffries, Korkidas, Solomona, Obst, Macgillivary, Henderson

Or these from 2003:

Sovatabua, Jeffries, Seers, Davis, O'Brian, Hood, Vowles, Halpenny, Slattery

Nobody, that's exactly my point. If the club are preaching that youth is the future, and 1873 is supporting that, then maybe now is the time to move in that direction. Signings like Moore and Wood demonstrate that they are looking to do so. The point being we need others to support this, and players like Wilkes and Raleigh will, as will Southern and Morrison. Last year we had kids and very little else. I don't include the likes of Semi because they were stop gaps, and Hickey was a disgrace. But I would like to think that the players we are bringing in for next year can be used in amongst the kids, and teach the kids. I am in no way disagreeing with the notion that an all British team is not the best scenario for WT, I am simply saying that right now, players like Southern and Lauititi bring what we didn't have last year, but need at this time. Now if they play every week of the year, under perform and still retain their place in the side. Then it becomes an issue.

I can see what you are trying to say, but I don't think Hickey is a good example. The club couldn't have easily picked up a better British player, for less, than what we thought/hoped we were getting. That the state he showed up in was both less and also considerably more than we expected is a related, yet different matter.

Good British players are at a premium, particularly those without criminal records or other reputational problems. Weaning ourself off journeymen, second-chancers, those with eating disorders, unknown Samoans, criminals and a whole range of other 'project players' will take a little time, particularly when are still a club for whom for every up-and-comer who does take the chance with us, there is a richer/bigger club waiting to poach.

Leeds and Warrington prove a point with a lower number of "overseas" players.
Strangely enough, our crowds were up last year watching a mediocre side which still included 10 imports.
I think our crowds would be as high with 2/3 marquee players only. Quality counts.
For some reason, an Australian in the NSW cup seems to be able to command a bigger salary and expenses than a UK player, as does a coach.
The expensive salaries will only force the salary cap higher in the end and lack of space in the squad will send the youth to kick and clap.

In an ideal world we'd be running out every week with a teamful of quality homegrown players. Sadly it isn't an ideal world. Its ok using Leeds and Warrington as examples but you are not exactly comparing like for like. Those two clubs are two of the wealthiest and most successful clubs in the division with thriving, well financed, academy structures, whilst ours has been under funded for years. Players actively want to go play for them and the get financially well rewarded for doing so. We are a club that avoided the wooden spoon by the skin of our teeth after very nearly ceasing to exist 7 or 8 months earlier because of financial problems. Hence we are still not exactly a drawcard for potential recruits. And to quote australians can claim bigger salaries than english players is simply not true. Quality english players are at such a premium that they are more often than not the highest earners in their teams. Sadly there just isn't enough quality english players to go around and so teams with limited resources like ourselves have to look at a pool of talent where better standard players don't cost the earth. Sadly that is the austrailian market. Its a phalacy to think that every overseas player that comes over here is well paid. The average SL salary is 60-70K by all accounts, many come over for much less than that yet we are paying a player like Kevin Penny close to that amount.

Don't think for a minute that just because we have a 3 year license we are out of the woods, even if Newmarket goes through. Playing a team of english kids that gets us a couple of wooden spoons in this period will put us under severe threat whether we have a shiny new home or not. We need an instant on-field improvement if we are to build our business so that in time we can compete with other clubs for good english players and just as importantly, hold on to our own club developed ones. But until that time comes we have to get the best value for money as we can. And i'm afraid that means more overseas players than we might like. But its a means to an end. Fans don't want to watch a beaten side every week like last year, if the same happened again then irreparable damage could be done. If you asked around the terraces most fans couldn't really care less where the players come from, they want results. If our young players are good enough then they'll get a game. If not then they have to strive to be so and continue to learn there trade from players who at this time are ahead of them. But in the short term there is going to have be a little patience regarding recruitment and development and then hopefully in 3 or 4 years time we will get where we want to be.

Well said Boyem.
Agree 100%

Yes think some people on here need a reality check. If anyone thought that we were going to put 13 english players and a few oversees players are seriously mistaken. We are in a massive transitional period at moment due to circumstances that we all know about. As mentioned even with 3 year superleague license we are probably still going to be known as a vunerable team until we make some good progress over the next 2 years both on and off the field. Even though putting as many english based players would suit some loyal fans it could prove to be a far greater risk than bringing in some experienced players who may help us reach greater things. There are a quite a few fans who are expecting good things from us and would probably be out the door if the going got tough. RUGBY LEAGUE FANS ARE THE MOST FICKLE FANS IN THE WORLD!!!

I would expect the club could lose Tony, one of Collis or Mellars plus Southern and not be too adversely affected. That would still leave two overseas spots available for the rumoured John and Smith signing's. Not such a problem after all.

Hopefully over the course of the next few years, we will see quality coming out of the academy because that's the only way we'll have a decent side with mostly British players in. There's no quick fix from the position we were in but this 1873 money should push things in the right direction as far as bringing young players through our own system. If in a few years time we are still in the same position then it's the time to start asking questions.
For the upcoming year or two it's about being competitive each game and playing some attractive rugby that will get some bums on seats. Hopefully as each season goes by if everything goes to plan we can become less reliant on foreign players and more on Wakey trained ones.

We'll still start with more homegrown players than the national team.

I also agree with Boyem, most people won't care how many home grown players there are in the team on a weekend but we know from past experience you will always be given a chance at our club so I'm pretty sure all our promising youngsters will get game time it'll just be a question of how much. It was interesting to see our crowds pretty healthy last season despite our struggles on the pitch, with a much better squad able to compete again, I'm sure they'll get even healthier. My dad who lives in Crewe is on about starting up again, he's seen all our glory days of the past so if he's wanting to make an effort from Cheshire and he can't even drive then things really must be getting encouraging.