To lose that game with that much possession. Disgrace. Your down two points. Take the two and even the bloody scores, especially when the only try scored in the second half was a fluke.

We certainly need improvements in the halves. Can't say they didn't have the platform today.

Couldnt agree more.

No excuses with strongest team weve had on pitch for a while. Absolute clueless.

Yet again no leaders from the experienced players.

Dont want to single anyone out but Finn was absolute garbage. We definately need a good number 7 and another half and back up.

Why did we not take the 2 when 2 down

Classic.

As bad as Finn was, at least he took on the line, Miller was too busy throwing speculators that conceded territory.

We made two errors playing two centres who don't pass and not bringing Fafita on when they were down to 12 men

I think Finn was lively today and was the better of the halls. Miller for me was completely out of his depth today and has been for a number of weeks now.

The hospital passes to Ashurst, the lack of conviction when on the front foot and rabbit in headlights jink he does only to get tackled.

He's too indecisive and its costing us desrly. Finn is by no means a star but he was throwing it all out today unlike his counterpart who needs to be a lot smarter.

Jowitt was great today, shame about the brain fart in defence again early minutes letting in a player untouched who was there for the taking.


Jowitt motm probably right.

Fifita was great on the charge but I felt he could've looked to release the ball on a couple of ocassions.

At the end of the day with a ton of possession and pressure we should have taken that game easily. The forwards for me more than did their part today and got on top most of the second half but there was any smart plays coming out of the halfs or from 9.

A stack of possession on the line tonight. We missed Moore desperately, some of the passes from dummy half, you needed a step ladder to catch & way too slow!

I believe Jacob Miller is having a operation on Monday, one of the reasons he couldn't pass the ball as well as he normally does. ..

I just want the season to end now tbh. Collectively Hull and Saints will out 100 past us. A different halfback is a must.

All the more reason to do what he does best.

Well whatever the reason Miller hasn't looked right. He's capable and better than that so if that's true then hope he has a speedy recovery and comes back firing again

Agree about a quality halfback, Finn tried his socks off tonight but it just wasn't coming off. I won't slate him as he's pretty solid but if we want to go to that next level and challenge the top 6 teams it's an area we need to invest heavily in.

Finn just dies with the ball too often.
For me our biggest handicap is still Bill Tupou. He gets put into some fantastic position but, similar to Finn, just kills it. Not been the same team since he returned from injury.
Then we've got the likes of Scruton, Arona and Lyne straight out of the Eorl Crabtree school of I couldn't break through a wet paper bag and if by some fluke I did then I'd drop the ball.


Bet Belly enjoyed it when Anderson dropped the ball going under the sticks.

Should never have gone into the season with only two halves in the squad.

I agree with what you are saying Trojan Horse about competing for top 6. To be honest though just to maintain yoouw own level you need to improve. You get nowhere by standing still. If we do we are a nailed on middle 8 side next year.

We have said also on here we need back up.to Moore and Jowitt.

We really do need to get someone like Sam Williams in and if they get relegated, O Brien from Salford. You could have these two and Miller in the 17.

Again tonight we had a lack of leadership. If Kirmo isnt fit to start 2017 we could have the same problems.

Would wipe the slate clean for 2017 with a new captain and conditioner. The fitness levels appear to have gone down the pan. Am I imagining it or is our warm up getting shorter and shorter.

Must say I prefer Moore at hooker but we really do need capable back up and also someone to share that role. Maybe one of those extra halves or someone else. Not Kyle Wood though.

It is frustrating when you consider the good news recently announced today for next year, only to be reminded of the awful run of form the team is in. First things first Clawson and Dickens out the door. I bang on about it but there is no coincidence we have seen some of the worst rugby the past two or three years with them part of the coaching staff. Everyone knows damn well conditioning is a bloody farce.

Awful, awful performance last night.
We will NEVER play a team as poor as Catalan were tonight.
They were down to 12, blowing out of their backsides and we still couldn't put them away.
Fifita and Harrison (1st half) were the only 2 forwards getting over the gain line and our passing ability, from just about every player was second rate and lazy.

Thank god it's nearly over.

I cant believe that out 2 first choice halves were both playing and we couldn't organise a move to break their defence and the ball from dummy half killed us.

Couldn't make it last night but from reading the comments it's clear that there are a lot of squad changes required for next year with a back up to Jowitt, a quality 6/7, genuine competition to Moore at 9 (hopefully Boubdouza), Sio is a 13, retaining Fifita, some creativity/impact from a new second rower, moving on some 'squad fillers' and maybe big contract players that for whatever reason have just not performed to the expected level consistently. It's unusual that a new coach comes in but doesn't look at new back room staff including conditioning.

After the CC semi final I didn't think we'd win a game for the rest of the season should have looked at the odds and thrown a few quid at it.

Yes we are the least intelligent , rugby team , in the world . There is no douche about that . We have been for several years , the last two rugby bright players I remember us having were Terry Newton and Brad Drew. Our players stupidity is only matched by that of several of our fans who were stood near me who also have zero understanding of many aspects of the game and were in agreement with our thick players about running it rather than taking the two .

I think our conditioning is poor and a change there is required. Having said that we used to train something like 5-6 hours per day for as long as I can remember to increasing that last year eventually player burn out had to happen.

Miller, Finn and Sio I dont think have missed a game, with only Arona suspension and Ashurt jaw. These 5 look absolutely worn out.

I think next year we definately need a new no7 to play ahead of Finn with another player of genuine SL qiuality who could cover 1,6,7 and maybe 9. As much as I like Moore I an starting to find him a bit unreliable. If that player was good enough to play 9 effectively, then I would play him with Moore on interchange bench. Lets face it most halves can play hooker effectively these days.

As for the back row, I am happy with Ashurst and Sio. To ease the burnout here, I would keep using Batchelor, Crowther and Morris at times to ease the burden and workload on the senior players.

I do partly agree regarding creative back rower. It just hasnt worked for Tupou I dont think. Meteo would probably fit the bill but with him going back Im not sure that will happen. Isnt Batchelor supposed to be a creative back rower?

Why do you bother?

Whatever your past you are not a Wakefield Trinity supporter anymore, so why continue the pretense?

You don't enjoy what you're watching and don't get anything out of it so why do you keep putting yourself through it?

You intimate that you have an "understanding of many aspects of the game" yet you display none whatsoever!

You talk tough on here yet despite regularly being just metres from the changing room you never offer your insight face to face with the players!

You use words on here like "least intelligent" "Stupidity" & "thick" to describe the players, yet you wouldn't have the courage or the conviction to hold that conversation face to face because the counter arguments would expose you!

You have the right to remain on here and continue your hate campaign and I'm sure you'll exercise that right but understand that you've become a joke at best and an irritant at worst.

Why do you bother?

The coach seems to agree about a lack of 'rugby intelligence'..... www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... -wakefield

The coach seems to agree about a lack of 'rugby intelligence'..... www.sportinglife.com/rugby-leagu ... -wakefield

Finn gave his all, blaming everything on Finn is totally unfair.

Finn dies with the ball because he has no runners - Finn can only create for others he has no off the cuff game.

Miller after a good half a season has gone totally backwards.

Without doubt Miller has far more potential than Finn not least his age but I'd keep Finn next year and find a more reliable and readable partner for him.

next season is make or break for Miller, he needs to put in a full season or drop to the Championship (preferably not with us).

We have been woefully short of creativity this season due to an obvious lack of pivot players yet we are over burdened with alleged back rowers and centres. I know we nee a high utility value in our small squad but two half backs and a part time hooker was never enough. This was bound to catch up with us in the end, Miller and the aged Finn ever present, can't be good.

The season is over it's been finished since the challenge cup semi all we can do is hope the quality of player/man is considerably improved for next season.
The players have showed quite beautifully in the 8s that they have been way out of there depth, count our blessings that we played enough teams low on numbers to qualify for the 8s
Anyone that isn't a season ticket holder and is still watching wow

It's strange that most people would have been happy if we had kept Miller & Finn fit all season and we have just about managed that but, I still cant get over how poor our passing game was, especially when we had made room on the outside.
There were plenty of fans bagging Lyne for getting tackled into touch but, for a winger to be taking a slow looping pass above head height, left him with no chance to score and our distribution from acting half was woeful.
Surely Moules has to at least be in the 17 for the Hull game ?

I think the Finn baggers on here dont question his effort. He simply isnt good or quick enough at this level.

You dont just win games on effort.

Hes 32-33 years old and up to this season had spent all but 2 years of that in the championship and think that says it all. If he was at this standard he would have been signed by someone when he was younger and probably a bit quicker.