I raced push bikes all over the country at a very high level for 20+ years, up to 100 mile races at a weekend and over 300 miles a week training during the season, which is more than some of the so called car drivers will do in a year and you wouldn’t believe some of the driving standards by the fools in cars. I also drive a car and cover many miles per year and just to rub it in, I ride a high powered motor bike and experience similar as I did all them years ago, might be the same morons who’ve got a bit older I don’t know, so please don’t tell me nothing about car drivers . This argument will never go away, I know, but if these lardies in cars had a go on today’s roads they might, just might have a little change in mindset. Like I say this thread will no doubt go on and on, little rant over