dont post often but i am tired of the rose tinted views on this performance. the only excuse i can offer is that it was hot out there, but it was hot for both sides

i dont think we played well and dont tink we have played well since we beat castleford away

i dont think we were embarrassed by the score, i think it was a reflection of the difference between the teams even though the scores came late

we do not have a game plan, or if we do it eithewr not good enough, the wrong one, or we arent playing to it. if i was a winger or a centre, i wouldnt bother pulling the shirt on because the ball hardly goes directly there along the line

the line often looks ragged, which is probably one of the reasons why we always seem to go down the middle, because the players arent in position to receive it

in many ways rugby league is a simple game, with some simple basics

we dont play the balll from acting half quick enough

we dont close down attackers quick enough, we wait till they come to us, not smothering them and putting them under pressure

we appear clueless near the line

our body language is not good. when the players came out for the second half they conveyed to me that they had had a roasting and were not happy (demetriou/brough). they also looked like they had just come off after the first half not had a 10 min rest

on the occasions when we had a scrum why didnt we pack dsowjn and get the clock stopped instead of letting the clock run down

we have no offload game and if we had we have no backing up to receive it

why are we still allowing other teams to offload in the tackle yet never seem able to do this ourselves

if forwards are going to run with the ball why arent they coming onto it at speed instead of mostly a standing start

we concede two many tries from acting half on our line. this happens time and time again - not acceptable. how many teams let us score from similar positions. we have got to learn to defend this

we throw out too many hospital passes, our tackling is poor from markers at play the ball. most teams nail us in that position

what has happened to the little grubber kicks through the back of opposing teams defence that were so effective earlier in the season.

although it is not my favourite play, it did yeild results for us and it seems the only scoring option for us as we are clueless othewrwise, except for the now in vogue miss out the centre, which is working to a degree but teams will soon suss out

the team and coach should watch the video a few times and see which team was most enthusiastic

huddersfield in my opinion , werent particularly playing their best but they out enthused us

i like john kear, he seems a nice guy, but we dont seem to be be making any progress, learning any lessons, whereas Huddersfield are. maybe its time for a change

This is not any kind of reason for losing, but just to highlight to Shep the difference between us and say a team like Hudds.

At the end of the day, you just have to look at the sort of money that Hudds have been able to throw at the playing squad over the past few years - compared with ourselves. The likes of DeVere, Elford and Skandalis - all would command too much of a salary for us to fork out for.

Also got a magnificent stadium already in the town for them to use - etc.

Think with the resources we have had to play with, the fact that we are still even in SL is an impressive achievement and the fact that now we regularly compete for playoff spots is even more so.

Thought we went ok today to be honest, not good or great, but we put in the effort and were beaten by the more clinical side.

Agreed, we have about the 2nd or 3rd lowest spenditure in the league and are currently 6th, so if we are working out who has performed the best out of everyone in SL based on resources then imo we have won. Why is this so? The answer must lie with kear, beans and the players.

Kear has every year improved our side, and with a little bit of trimming down the sides (players who wont play) and cutting off the mature side (old players on big whacks, rooney/drew etc) whilst getting a strong core of players who are good consistently then hopefully we can improve again.

Look at wire (albeit improving), hull, bradford, catalans and wigan teams we more or less thought were going to be above us arent, so some credit has to go to the players and the club.

The credit, will imo only be suffice if we can finish in the top 8, if we dont then we will have lost a big chance to get somewhere in the comp, gain some cudos in terms of franchising points.

Next year hull have signed some top players, im sure bradford will improve, catalans, wigan and wire will sign some aussies as and may sign young myler kid, and the teams around us kr, hudds, quins, cas will also look to improve and if we can work some magic push on abit then maybe just maybe we might be able to keep up with the other sides, and this is why a new ground is crucial increased revenue would allow us to spend hopefully the whole cap which in our case might be circa £500k now think where we could push on too.

Were over exceeding expectations, realistic ambitions and although we and I would like to get higher in the table, I do have to think about the aforementioned points and take in and understand we are fortunate to be where we are, at this moment in time.

Stop talking sense man - it just won't do! We should be top of the table and never lose a game - only then will some be happy (and even then possibly not)

I accept that at 10-12 where Grix kicked through the bonce of the ball turned out to be a 12 point game breaking incident. Had it bounced (or Crabtree not pushed Obst) our way we might have won.

However having said that we were on top for only one quarter of the game. In the other three quarters we played some dumb and poorly organised rugby. For example on at least three occasions there was no clarity about the kick play.

Giants should have been out of sight by half time - Kear must have been delighted at the break to go in only 8 down after such a terrible half.

However I put it down to a poor day in a great (judged by Trinity standards) season. In my 30 years as a fan I don't think we have ever won more than we have lost (in top flight) at such an advanced stage in the season.

One last thing - I had the misfortune to have the gobbiest, most vulgar woman come and sit behind me and my family yesterday. Within 5 minutes she was on her feet abusing the referee at the top of her shrill and piercing voice. when I asked her to hold off with the garbage she was shouting in my 4 year olds ear she defended her right to shout whatever she wanted.

Never mind how her rights spoil my and my familys experience - I have no objection to chearing on the team - I love a sing song with the best of em - but having to put up with offensive garbage so that she can excercise her rights was - grrrrrrrrrrr.

There I feel better now (and before you start - yes I did move).

I agree.
Our aim should be
- to improve over the whole season compared to last: We have done that.
- get into the play offs: we are there at the moment and have winnable games before end of season.

There will be panic on the forum if we lose to Leeds and Saints but there are plenty of other games to bring us back up before end of season.

I'm generally happy with season so far, and will enjoy rest of season too, especially if we have play off football to watch. Much as I'd like to see it, we are not going to go through a whole season undefeated, why panic when we lose a game, just aim for the next one. We are winning more than we are losing. That's ok by me.