Sorry you maybe right,but its a bit like a traffic accident when you drive past,you no its wrong but you do tend to slow down for a better look,on the plus side I am now a little clearer on the problems that PIRAG have, and who is who!

Why?

This is a fans forum, not an appreciation society



Sometimes things need answering in public to prevent the chinese whispers syndrome.

As long as no one breaks the AUP what's the problem.

If someone has something personal to say they can use the PM (private message) system.

Fair point, but I found it uncomfortable reading and you could see a clear escalation in the posts and wondered what may come next. If some people wanted those questions answering I'm sure they would have attended the meetings, which it's clear they didn't. PIRAG looks to me to be going nowhere fast so I'd argue that other settling some personal difference's and airing their dirty laundry, what is the purpose now of this continuing.

That's just my opinion and I'm happy to stand corrected. If people see the need to continue it and it stays within the AUP (I've got a funny feeling it won't if continued) then crack on!

If people dont stop looking for a chance to drag people into a slanging match. It will be locked.

Why dont you arrange a meeting. Then you can have a go at each other there instead of here.

Thanks for reading this post. Lets play nice.

Good post Shaun, a bit of deja vu, methinks.

A personality clash caused the problems last time and it looks like they have done the same again.

Just looking around RL at some of the people in charge of clubs shows that they have ego's the size of Blackpool Tower. The word INDEPENDENT scares the hell out of them. They are distrustful of those people and things they cannot control or things they perceive as a threat. On the flip side, it's no good setting up an independent committee that has characters that are the same.

To put things in perspective, I read the Leigh forum and it says the Leigh Supporters Trust has raised in excess of £350,000 for the club - not to be sneezed at.

Good leaders find ways of making things work, and that applies equally to those of clubs and independent groups. This can be quite difficult because the very reason some Independent groups are set up is precisely because they don't have faith in the clubs directors. This causes friction from the start.

If the club wants help from a bigger proportion of fans, then they need to open their eyes. Many people do not want to pump money into a bottomless bucket when they can't see exactly what it is going to be used for.

You might motivate people who don't normally contibute if they thought they were buying player "X". But tell them it's for a "radio mike" or "going toward the bills" then they might be less enthusiastic.

It's a crying shame that this club cannot work with an independent supporters group.

EDIT: This isn't me having a go at anyone, just reflecting on human nature.

I thought that was your job

@ shaunw - Thanks for that post , interesting read under the circumstances.

@Dominance - Not sure locking it is the right thing to do ,so long as rules are kept to
then it would be best to keep it running. IMO Ofcourse.

I dont want to lock it. But people are clearly using this thread as a excuse to vent things. Its up to the people posting on it to make sure it stays open.

PRAG - a complete joke! , should have just left it to Squad Builder to raise funds ( Looks like PRAG is dragging down Squad Builder as well now)

1:Squad builder did so well in previous years
2: PARG didnt work so why try jumping on the back of something that does and joining in with them only to make people not trust Squad Builder.
3: There is money floating in PRAG???? STILL NO ONE AS THE ANSWERS TO WHERE THIS MONEY IS OR WHO AS ACCESS TO THIS MONEY .
4:SIMPLE HAND IT TO SQAUD BUILDER AND HAVE DONE WITH IT (this is becoming very embarrasing)

Oh well i did try.