Couldn't agree more with most of the comments that have been made since my last post. The little bit I put about players we're missing when I stated that I would like to see mossy back, I do also agree that JD was always going to be near impossible to replace on and off the field and like we keep saying regarding the cougar mania days we can't live in the past and must move forward but its this bit that I struggle with. It just seems at the minute our fan base is fading, the club is going backwards and the whole stadium/experience is dead on its feet. I don't want to speak for anyone but I think the reason a lot of people are struggling with whats happening is because of the last 2 seasons we have just experienced and I thought this year we could have made the team a little stronger with 1 or 2 big names and pushed on for another finish in the playoffs but this season even if the reults do start to change the best we can hope for now is just keeping away from the bottom 2 spots and ONCE AGAIN rebuild for next year. I must admit its very dissapointing to be saying them words yet again.

I have never come on here to grind an axe or have any hidden agendas at the end of the day everyone knows who I am and how I feel towards the Board, even they do as its no secret but I do think no matter who is in charge at the club we do have to try and support the Board and the coach the best way we can and for me its not just spending money at the club but also been honest and voicing our opinions about the one thing we all have in common and that is the COUGARS.

Wish I had all the answers but I don't, I am worried because it is unthinkable at what might happen to us if we were relegated and once we get Featherstone out of the way then the next 3-4 games has to be the start of us winning because if we continue to lose then its all over.

The games to follow are York H, Dewsbury A, Barrow H and Hunslet A. I think its safe to say that under normal circumstances we would win a possible 3 of these games but I'm not too sure now only time will tell.

A genuine question for those of you that are saying we wait, calm down, back Marchy and give them time. When will the time come for you to start saying that we need a new coach???

I am not calling for our coach to be sacked.

But would any other coach be able to do a better job with the players we have.

What I would like to see is perhaps an ex-professional of experience in management who can oversee football and commercial matters. With cutting staffing right to the bone I think we are missing many opportunities. Marchy is doing a great job but is only part-time whereas JD was full time, even though this sometimes consisted of being groundsman and odd-job man! I know we are not professional but nothing to stop us being as professional as we can. Some may say that we can't afford someone like this but I would say can we afford not to?

I agree with much of what you're saying, our deserved promotion (but even that was nip and tuck at times) gave a bit of a buzz and returned the feel good factor.

I'll be a bit controversial and say that last year was a false dawn. We won many early games more through the equalising factor of the dreadful weather and heavy pitches, but I suppose thats the same for everyone. When the ground dried up and teams could use their speed and agility we were exposed. We came into this year (in my opinion) with false high expectations - at the presentation of shirts to the players the chairman said "only a top 4 spot would be good enough" which in my opinion was completely unrealistic.


There are those that have.


I haven't a clue who you are or how you feel about anything.


I think we all feel the same way.


I'd say that under normal circumstances we could win a possible of 2. We don't often get any joy at Dewsbury and Hunslet away will be difficult if they have the Leeds lads, especially if we can't control Liam Hood.


There are very few on here who can make a genuinely informed decision, by that I mean having inside information (not rumour) about the interactions of the coach, players and directors and importantly our financial situation.

All I can do is look at the results and say they are completely unacceptable but what I don't know is if this is down to the coach or other factors.

A change in coach now might give us the lift we need but that is by no means guaranteed, affordable or sustainable. Ask Oldham about how much they spent yet still couldn't get promotion. Ask Leigh why they are out with the begging bowl to the fans again, the rise and fall of Rochdale, a Swinton side that can't cope without a rigged DR with Warrington....... I could go on.

The fact is we will not truly know until after Hunslet and as you rightly say - that could be too late.

You would have to add to that "under the same conditions and circumstances that the current coach has had to work in". Not knowing what these all are adds to the quandry.

For instance, Phil Veivers has had a torrid time with little or no support at Salford but as soon as money is available he is dumped. A new coach might do better now he has cash to splash but would anyone else have done a better job than Veivers under the past circumstances? Who knows what type of job Veivers might have done with the money?

But to answer your original question, yes, there must be someone, somewhere who can, but can we afford him and would he come?

Good point. I should have put that in the question.

On the comment " can we afford it ?" The answer is probably yes as the club
must have saved an absolute fortune on the playing budget with the
win lost match bonuses. The club will probably have quite healthy books at the moment with t
he team losing so much.

What now?? Yes we all new what the outcome of the game was going to be but did we really expect that sort of performance because I didn't. I know I am repeating myself but tonight was the same as previous games so predictable, same set after set, soft tackling/defence, continous mistakes, stupid penalties and the main factor LEADERSHIP and ORGANISATION it just isn't there. One thing I did think tonight from some of our players is they were trying but it was all individual stuff they wasn't playing as a team.

The thing thats getting to me is what Marchy says especially what has been put in the Keighley News and for those of you that haven't yet read it, here's a little of what Marchy has said "March has drawn encouragement from their display against Leigh on sunday and went on to say the score line doesn't reflect how much we were in that game"

He already sounded beaten by saying "HOPEFULLY we can go to Featherstone and put in a good performance" now for me why is our coach saying the word hopefully they should be no hopefully about it. He then said "we have nothing to lose and obviously we'll be massive underdogs, but we'll come out fighting in front of the cameras for the first time this year"

Lastly he states that "we need to be doing what we're good at as we build up for these next seven games which are quite easily winnable"

Sorry folks but I'm pretty sure we wouldn't even beat the Keighley select team that we have played in the past never mind york and barrow. This is not me blowing things out of proportion BUT THIS HAS TO END NOW. Our players are trying you can see it in some of them but whats the point when nothing is organised. Maybe there were different reasons or circumstances why Marchy has been successful before but what ever it was it clearly isn't working for our club. I really can't see how anyone can take a positive from tonight and as for the super league boys get rid and bring in our local lads if we aren't going to sign experienced players.

Now I know you read this forum Gary, everything lies with you and the board now. You can continue to say in the press that you are going to back Paul March but I am now pretty confident that if you continue to back Marchy then you might as well start planning how we are going to survive in Championship 1. We are in a hole and a very big one, yes we were always going to lose tonight but like that come on. I think you need to make a statement about the clubs plans moving forward and nothing sugar coated just the truth for example how long you are giving Marchy to turn this around, is there more money available for quality players and I think we deserve to know how things are going with season ticket sales and merchandise. Whats going on with the website. I think the fans are entitled to an update because the last we heard the club was making small profits every month well we must be making big profits now. Feel free to contact me and I will be more than happy to post something for you if you wish to e-mail me. Compared to the last 2 seasons everything from the club has gone quite, is anything happening???

Its time to act.

From someone who was actually at the game.

Those of us who were there (All 16 of us), felt that we didnt do that bad. Going forward we looked ok and we had 2 tries chalked off.

Fev showed why they the best team in the league. They have won everygame and put a big score on everyone they have played so far.

Tonight it was more of how good they were.

Only player I would question is Richard Owen.

Get Matt Callander in, he will sort your team out and has worked with most of them before. Proven silverware winner.

I usually go home and away but didn't go last night so I can't make any objective comments. However, I find the above review interesting compared to some of the others.

It just shows how fans have different perspectives.

I'd pretty much agree with everything Andy posted , I personally was a bit surprised at some of the really negative stuff posted on here tonight, I thought we gave Fev a fair old game ,maybe conceded a couple of really dumb soft tries near the end but I dont think it was the major disaster that everyone seems to think.

Their supporters were confident in the Blue Lagoon bar prior to the match were predicting a margin of 60 or 70 clear points between the two side . That was not being big headed just based on how they had been playing in previous weeks. When they really get into top gear t'Rovers are going to run up some huge scores

Fev are a country mile in front of everyone in this division , not just on the field but off it as well .. time to watch and learn

I presume I must have been watching a different game on Premier Sports......
littered with mistakes , soft defense and running round like headless chickens.

Couldnt make it to the match either but a friend recorded it on Premier, I honestly think we didnt do to bad against Fev - Score didnt reflect the effort the team put in - We were never going to beat Fev were we ?
I think the York game is make or break - If we win(when we win) that will give a boost to the lads and then we could be on a winner run for the next 3 matches.
Were all the directors present last night? did anyone manage to speak to them to ask whats going on with the club and marchy

Its getting a bit boring now is this thread only 2 people who are very BORING and living too much in the past!, no i didnt see the game last night but I had another person telling me all about the game and considering the scores we didnt do bad at all compared to other games last season under JD coaching. As for coach, you can spend all the money you have, get the top coach and still may get the same result or even worse!

Why are you insulting people ' mystery ' ? This is an open forum for people to air their views /
Thoughts,if you find it so boring please feel free to go elsewhere.

If I may be excused for boring you all to death with some stats

, if we had played the same fixtures last season as this (we didn't play Whitehaven last season) our record would be:
(2012) W 2 D 0 L 3 F 62 A 97 Pts 7
(2013) W 0 D 0 L 5 F 68 A 154 Pts 2.
Against these same sides last year we scored 12 tries a 7 goals. This year 12 tries and 10 goals.
On tries against they come in these periods: 0-10 (3), 10-20 (4), 20-39 (5), 30-40 (icon_cool.gif, 40-50 (6), 50-60 (7), 60-70 (7), 70-80 (1) so it shows we are reasonably solid in the first 20 minutes but need to tighten up before half time and straight after. Korky coming off the bench last season will have helped with this!
So this "disastrous" season may not be as bad as it is viewed. We need to tighten up the defence though and stop the soft tries and take points off the the lower sides in the league.

No offence Len but you cant take any of that into account. Completely different teams and coaches.

BULL !!!

That is just rubbish , how many threads on here have mentioned JD , Obsty and the like from LAST season???

Yet again on here somebody comes on here with a reasoned well researched and valid point and its dismissed so trivially so you can continue the moaning -its like listening to old ladies on a bus !!!

Rach , Eveyone is entitled to their own opinion , why when we disagree / debate
are we like old women on a bus ????
People need to see the broader picture and see what a shambles the cougars
are in.

Roll on next Sunday so we can talk about a game again!

Roll on next Sunday so we can talk about a game again!

Without putting words into Rach's mouth I think there are those that are debating on emotion and those that are trying to back up what they say with actual evidence. There also appear to be those that ignore anything that does not suit their argument



We should have three separate forums:

The "Doom and Gloomers", who can talk themselves into an ever decreasing spiral of despair until they disappear in a puff of [i"I told you so's"[/i.

The "Sunshine and lighters", who can become increasingly more euphoric and elated that they float away and explode, humming [i"always look on the bright side of life......"[/i.

The "Sitters on the fence", who well .....erm ..... get splinters in their bum.

.........or I suppose we could just accept that we are all different.

Great post dreamer

Well done Lawkholme Len brilliant stats it’s good to know someone has such dedication I enjoyed reading them . However the facts are after a quarter of the season we are 2 points adrift at the bottom of the table with the worst points for and against. It hurts me to say in all honesty currently we are the worst team in the Championship.
There is no point in bickering with each other on this forum we need be honest and analyse why. It starts with the following simple questions.
Have all the other clubs got a larger playing budget than Cougars….No
Have other clubs got injuries to players in their squads….Yes
Have all the other clubs got better players than Cougars….No
Having had a season in the Championship should our players be better prepared at this level than the promoted clubs….Yes
Should we be better than the four clubs that finished below us last season….Yes
Have other clubs got better DR players than us….Debatable
Are other clubs better organised than Cougars on the field …Yes
Is Paul March a good leader on the field….No
This last two points are the reason why we have yet to win a game, there is no other excuses! PM was responsible for player recruitment in the off season, tactics for each game and general leadership on and off the field.
As I mentioned in my first ever post on this issue,the day of reckoning is fast approaching for Paul March, it has now arrived nothing less than a win against York will be acceptable. Failing that please step aside as I have no faith in the Directors replacing you.
Our clubs very future is at stake.