I take this as an admission that i was correct all along!

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McDaniels is an idiot, he's ruining his team. He ran Cutler out of town in exchange for a guy who can't throw downfield (and now Quinn also). He's lost his best reciever, is ruining his second best reciever Eddie Royal as a result of getting a crap QB and could lose his best TE and DE/OLB. Add that to trading his first round pick this year for a rubbish CB.

=#8040FFAccuracy > cannon arm, that's why he got rid of Cutler, the system requires accuracy and not a massive arm, it minimises mistakes and rips to shreds both cover 2 and aggressive defences.

I think that is pretty much 100% BS to be honest.

I'm sure Chad Pennington is the most accurate QB of all time. Of course you'd want him running your offence not somebody like Manning/Favre/Rivers?

It might minimise mistakes but i do not buy it rips to shreds defences. Defences can close in on Denver and stack the box since Orton can throw it about 10 yards at maximum. Cutler can stretch the field.

Aside from that Cutler has a better arm and is more accurate than Orton with the exception of this year where Orton had a completion percentage of 62.1 to 60.5.

2008
Cutler- 62.3
Orton- 58.5

2007
Cutler- 63.6
Orton- 53.8 (although only 3 games)

2006
Cutler- 59.1
Orton- N/A

=#8000FFAnd turnovers? Cutler is an interception machine, the reason why O'Connell only lasted a year in NE, why Cutler didn't even make it to pre-season etc.

Cutler's interception stats are misleading - last year he had a frankly awful offensive line in front of him, a promising but ultimately mediocre receiving core and a back with 2nd season syndrome. The season before he threw a ridiculous amount of passes as he tried to compensate for the Broncos then hapless defense.

Admittedly, he made some ridiculous throws and he needs to make better decisions but he'll improve no end this year.

Kyle Boller signs with the Raiders as Gradkowski tore a pec this week and will be out for 4 weeks approx.

Leon Washington to stay at the Jets which is excellent news.
Jets are also in talks with Jason Taylor coming over too which, after some of the things he's said in the past about Jets fans, could be interesting!

Big Ben on the trading block? www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true I dont like him or the way he behaves, hell I even think hes overrated ( 2 superbowls or not) but surely they need someone to replace him befre hes traded?

Big Ben on the trading block? www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true I dont like him or the way he behaves, hell I even think hes overrated ( 2 superbowls or not) but surely they need someone to replace him befre hes traded?

Quote ="LFCRhino"Big Ben on the trading block? www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true I dont like him or the way he behaves, hell I even think hes overrated ( 2 superbowls or not) but surely they need someone to replace him befre hes traded?'" Sam Bradford apparently.

Quote ="LFCRhino"Big Ben on the trading block? www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true I dont like him or the way he behaves, hell I even think hes overrated ( 2 superbowls or not) but surely they need someone to replace him befre hes traded?'" Sam Bradford apparently.

Quote ="LFCRhino"Big Ben on the trading block? www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true I dont like him or the way he behaves, hell I even think hes overrated ( 2 superbowls or not) but surely they need someone to replace him befre hes traded?'" The Rooneys are livid it seems so you never know what might happen but I doubt they would trade Ben.

Quote ="LFCRhino"Big Ben on the trading block? www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true I dont like him or the way he behaves, hell I even think hes overrated ( 2 superbowls or not) but surely they need someone to replace him befre hes traded?'" The Rooneys are livid it seems so you never know what might happen but I doubt they would trade Ben.

Me neither TBH but Cleveland may be a good fit

I doubt they'd trade Ben to a divisional rival.....unlike the Eagles did with McNabb.

Quote ="LFCRhino"Big Ben on the trading block? www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true I dont like him or the way he behaves, hell I even think hes overrated ( 2 superbowls or not) but surely they need someone to replace him befre hes traded?'" Nice to see some owners with good morals. They should trade him, you don't need a locker room headache. Personally i think San Fran would be the best fit and they have 2 first round picks and could maybe make something work. I think it would be interesting for the Rams to entertain a deal. Roethlisberger and the Steelers first in exchange for pick 1.

Quote ="LFCRhino"Big Ben on the trading block? www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d ... nfirm=true I dont like him or the way he behaves, hell I even think hes overrated ( 2 superbowls or not) but surely they need someone to replace him befre hes traded?'" Nice to see some owners with good morals. They should trade him, you don't need a locker room headache. Personally i think San Fran would be the best fit and they have 2 first round picks and could maybe make something work. I think it would be interesting for the Rams to entertain a deal. Roethlisberger and the Steelers first in exchange for pick 1.

They'd be mad to trade him.

I dont follow the NFL as much as id like, but is Big Ben the guy who takes the snap, ties his shoelaces, reads the NYTimes, then decides to pass?

I think the fact the Steelers are even thinking about a trade says a lot about his future and what they think about him

Not really.

Nobody is irreplaceable and it would send a clear message. Lets face it, the question isn't about his skill, if the Rooney's feel his behaviour is unaccepatble (they do) then as the guys who pay his wages they can get rid.

Yes this is the delightful fellow

Ted Ginn traded to the 49ers. Not sure on for what pick.

=#8040FF5h round per Schefter, same as Santonio Holmes

Niners actually have a decent looking O for next year now, maybe upgrade Alex Smith and the backup RBs and they can do some damage.

=#8040FFSmith is fine, he played well last year, he just needs an O line and a year with the same coordinator like this year, give him Iupati and a right tackle (I think the current one gave up 11 sacks on his own last year).

More complaints against Big Ben.

Apparently a report was given (date not know) that Ben has done some more of his "activities". Alledgedly he was driven home by somebody who worked at his golf club when he was drunk. She put him in his bedroom and he slammed the door and dropped his pants and the next week (at a party) at his home he alledgedly put his hand up her skirt. I don't know who made the report to the police but the woman was contacted and apparently declined to take it further.

The police officer in the case in the night club has resigned. The cop had previously had pictures taken with Ben. He was also the ONLY officer to interview Ben and admitted to making derogatory statements to other officers about the victim.

Friends of the victim have also said they were impeded (not neccesarily physically) from trying to find the girl by Ben's body guards, who were off-duty police officers.

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