I can confirm that there was a reference to John Hartson in red issue unfortunately.

Quote ="Enfield Exile"United fans split. It looks like they want to lick him all over (they do love scousers at The Swamp) or boo him before he's played a game. www.redcafe.net/f6/reception-mic ... ay-263629/ Did anyone get a copy Red Tissue. I heard that they had an article poking fun at Daniel Jarque's death. Nice. But then it was the same publication that had a laugh at Marc Vivien Foe following his death.'" Terrible stuff that and sick they should be ashamed of themselves. It's on par with City fans laughing at deaths of almost and entire team 51 years on....disgusting.

Quote ="Enfield Exile"United fans split. It looks like they want to lick him all over (they do love scousers at The Swamp) or boo him before he's played a game. www.redcafe.net/f6/reception-mic ... ay-263629/ Did anyone get a copy Red Tissue. I heard that they had an article poking fun at Daniel Jarque's death. Nice. But then it was the same publication that had a laugh at Marc Vivien Foe following his death.'" Terrible stuff that and sick they should be ashamed of themselves. It's on par with City fans laughing at deaths of almost and entire team 51 years on....disgusting.

A cheap dig. Interesting to see you use someone's death to 'score a point'. Lovely. The mark of a Rag.

Where were you at the time of the Munich Air Disaster?

Not at all. You brought City fans into it.



So you inherited the grief? Are you scouse?

And that's not exactly what you're trying to do here?

I've got the Red Ish, not read it yet, but I've heard about the article. I'll be thinking twice about buying it in the future. But to talk as if it's just something that United fans do is utterly ridiculous.

What made you say that? If it was common knowledge then I could understand the point you are making. However, it wasn't known and had not been discussed in this thread.

Putting something like that in a fanzine IMO is even worse than the pathetic chants you hear.....at many grounds. People may get caught up in such chants for a number of reasons: some are literally sick/stupid, some get caught up in the emotion (weak excuse) and some are drunk and wouldn't normally join in such a chant. However, in a fanzine, someone has to write it down, see how it fits into the page, proof read it and then edit the copy.




Never said that, fella. And neither have I made such a claim in the past when this kind of issue has been discussed on here.

Saying "the mark of a Rag" makes it look like you're attempting to score a cheap point yourself. I may have misunderstood you mate, but knowing your track record on here for labelling United fans as scum it's an easy mistake to make.



I can see where you're coming from on it being worse than the chants, but none of it's excusable really. Of course, it could have appeared in the official magazine/programme. Now that was inexcusable, if you remember what I'm talking about.

Come on fella thats exactly what you were doing.



Sadly redissue has been going down the pan for at least the last couple of seasons now.

Not at all. That comment was aimed at the individual for trivialising the issue.

I guess that answers one of the points raised by GT.

Yourself, GT and Diavolo Rosso know my views on this subject. We have discussed it here and face-to-face. You know my views of the United fans who chant about Hillsbrough etc., and you know what I think of City fans who chant the Munich song and those use the term 'Munich' when referring to United and its fans. I have never changed my view on the subject.

Quote ="Enfield Exile"United fans split. It looks like they want to lick him all over (they do love scousers at The Swamp) or boo him before he's played a game. www.redcafe.net/f6/reception-mic ... ay-263629/ '" Some idiots on there don't half make you laugh. He was unlucky not to score on Sunday, and with a couple more games and a bit more confidence I'm sure he'll be slotting those efforts home. Rooney played well, and could've had another goal or two. Fletch played well in the middle, looks like he is carrying on his good form from last year, shame about his woeful effort however. Did you see our game on Sunday? I thought Foster looked very good, made some decent saves, and was quite commanding coming for the very few crosses that entered our box, he certainly looked better than at Wembley. I forgot that watching on TV would mean I'd have to see/hear that dozy c*nt Jamie "look at my shiny trousers" Redknapp.

Quote ="Enfield Exile"United fans split. It looks like they want to lick him all over (they do love scousers at The Swamp) or boo him before he's played a game. www.redcafe.net/f6/reception-mic ... ay-263629/ '" Some idiots on there don't half make you laugh. He was unlucky not to score on Sunday, and with a couple more games and a bit more confidence I'm sure he'll be slotting those efforts home. Rooney played well, and could've had another goal or two. Fletch played well in the middle, looks like he is carrying on his good form from last year, shame about his woeful effort however. Did you see our game on Sunday? I thought Foster looked very good, made some decent saves, and was quite commanding coming for the very few crosses that entered our box, he certainly looked better than at Wembley. I forgot that watching on TV would mean I'd have to see/hear that dozy c*nt Jamie "look at my shiny trousers" Redknapp.

Don't deny it. Does the said have a track record for this?

Let's face it, Red Issue has a significant track record for such things.

I'll repeat what I have always said, each club has a number of undesirables following them. I'm not making out that one is worse than the other but I do get annoyed by a number of United fans, who I have discussed this issue with, they justify their actions by claiming, "Well, they sing about Munich" as if it's some kind of justification. Some United fans have used this to justify chants about Hillsbrough, Heysel and Galatasaray.

There are some United fans who goad visiting supporters in to singing about Munich. Opposition fans from clubs that have visited Old Trafford have repeatedly claimed that United fans perform aeroplanes themselves in the hope that opposition fans start chanting about Munich. I simply don't understand that, unless they want an excuse to sing about Hillsbrough etc., or maybe they simply want a reason to get in a ruck with them.

I believe that there are a section of United fans who revel in the Munich disaster. They are far worse than the opposition fans who chant about it, perform aeroplanes etc.. Pretending that it is important to you and then manipulating this faux grief is vile.

This is a point that I have made several times on here in the past, usually provoking an indignant reaction that I simply must be making it up because United fans don't do that kind of thing.

It's probably no exaggeration to say that I have seen more United fans giving the aeroplane sign, at Old Trafford, in the HOPE that they can coax City fans into doing it, rather than City fans doing it off their own steam.

What kind of mentaility is it when they positively beg teams to sing such disgraceful songs then actually cheer if some morons give them what they want?

As for the Munich reference in the programme, it was a fans page and was a slip up on the club's behalf. The person responsible paid the price with his job.

How do the fans around them not deck them there and then? Simply disgraceful.

Owen must be gutted. I would say with confidence that Joe Hart saves about 1 out of 30 one-on-one situations.



I watched most of the game. IMO it was a decent game. I thought it was much better than Spurs/Liverpool.

Foster played ok but he looked a tad heavy-legged with the long-range effort by DJ Campbell. I remain unconvinced. He makes too many mistakes.

Joe Hart had an unsure game. Although to be fair, the defence in front of him was dreadful. Quedre as a centre-half. Deary me. Hey have technical players further up the pitch but that defence is going to leak a lot of goals. Gutted as Joe Hart is in my Dream Team!










His suit may have sheen but it's teh tightness of his trousers that make me feel uncomfortable

Anyone who thinks Utd fans do the aeroplane gestures to goad the away fans into singing about Munich is highly deluded.

From when I used to go this is generally what used to happen:

After Utd missed chances - minority of away fans mimick aeroplane gestures.

Utd score - minority of home fans do aeroplane gestures in response.

Hardly an attempt to goad them into singing about Munich.

I think you are the only one that's deluded if you believe all that crap.

Listen pal, I go to Old Trafford once a year, which is traditionally once more than you (

), I have seen these things with my own eyes on several occasions and I am telling you what happens, not offering an opinion.

A significant amount of United fans, before, after and during games, next to the away end, have done mock aeroplane actions with no provocation, in an attempt to goad our fans into doing it.

If you don't believe me, call a solicitor in and sue me for slander. You won't get very far.

It was better when Brum decided to play some football, for most of the time we might as well have been on the training field. We should have scored at least a couple more, but we haven't been able to do that for a while now. I thought the Spurs game was better, but TBF even that was a very one sided affair, and if it hadn't have been for the clown in goal Spurs would have been much more comfortable.



Aye, he looked very unsure then, but apart from that he didn't do too bad. I still prefer him between the sticks than Kuszczack.



He did OK with some of the long range shots, but he did make a fair few mistakes.

Long range, where did he take the shot from, Leicester.

So it seems Newcastle are going to be on tele EVERY game they play this year then are they...?

No, we aren't.

You musn't have much time for watching the game if you can watch the entire away end to make sure if they aren't 'provoking' the Utd fans into doing aeroplane gestures.

Football season back. Any enjoyable reasoned debate on here over the past few weeks has gone out the window to petty arguments.

Why don't you just do one then?*

*sorry, couldn't resist.

I'll talk about football - ESPN aren't messing about are they? To my knowledge they have the following leagues LIVE:-

English
Monkey Tennis (Scotland)
Italy
Portugal
Russia
Holland
France (maybe)
Germany

It's now worth that 100 quid a year or whatever it is.

TBH I honestly don't find these leagues interesting at all. Serie A was interesting but has gone downhill. The Eredivisie is shocking IMO.

I'd happily watch the Prem, German, Spanish and, occasionally, the French leagues, but that's about it.

TBH mate, I have heard from a Chelsea fan and a Leeds fan that this goes on.