He had a poor game yesterday all round Mason, he's a poor referee anyway. He shouldn't have given Formica's second one either, I said at the match yesterday I couldn't see why he'd given it and again last night but I think he just sees Samba come down and take Felli out. It's concerning how poor we were yesterday though, playing a side that has been beaten comfortably by Villa and Wolves yet we were second best all game.

Last week Arsenal have Vermaelen, Sagna, Nasri, and hell, even that lad who got sent off. Now I'm not saying that these guys would have made a difference today, but they are all a heck of a lot more experienced than what was out there, and they wouldn't have stopped trying like the rest of the Arsenal side did today when it got to 2 or 3. Arsenal played ok against Liverpool, they didn't have the cutting edge without Fabregas but they made Liverpool work by working hard themselves, that wasn't there today whatsoever, they let their heads drop and it just steamrolled.
Add into that United are just a quality side then you don't have a chance. I can't see Wenger recovering from this personally, I just think there's that much bad blood (for lack of another term) beginning to accumulate between himself, the fans and even the players. The confident Arsenal swagger is gone, and I can't see where the 4 or 5 world class signings are going to come from. Heck, they've already spent £30 this year. WHERE?!??!

On another note, I thought City were unbelievable. Top performance against a strong side on paper in spurs. Some of the passing and movement from City today was fantastic and when you combine that with the solid defensive base they've now built, they'll take some stopping this year.

And what a player Dzeko is.

I saw Harry Redknapp whinging on TV last night about how he has hated this transfer window, because of all the attention his players have got from other clubs....



Irony alert anyone??...

I said exactly the same thing!

I must admit I LOL'd when he said he doesn't like his players getting unsettled by other clubs and sticking in cheeky bids at the last minute, that's all he ever does

Watched the game yesterday, full credit to United, no amount of praise for yesterday's performance is too much.

Man City? Meh, means nothing IMO.

Your opinion means nothing.

So why did you respond?

Arsenal are a joke at the mo.

Yesterday was the only time I've enjoyed a Man Utd romp, simply because you just knew Arsenal were going from one catastrophe to another.

Merson rightly ripped into Wenger after the game. He has no plan B. He sent that team out like lambs to the slaughter. Trouble is, the problem at Arsenal has been clear to see for years now. Now the team could be beyond repair.

Ok, I'll bite.

Yep, full credit given the "quality" opposition, its weakened state and having had a man sent off too, and a home victory to boot. Did you get a good view of the off the ball quality movement or does the armchair not provide such entertainment?

If you'd have come down to White Hart Lane, played against a first choice XI for a team that reached last years QFs of the Champions League, and, of course, with home advantage, and seen them destroyed by the team from the blue half of Manchester, you may have been able to form an opinion.

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I don't think Wenger will go and I don't think he should go. All teams have horrible patches and they are having their worst one for years but you don't just ditch a manager like Wenger for one bad run. And who would they bring in who would improve them? I know they've not won anything for 6 years but they've still competed for most things over those 6 years. He has invested money in the areas he needed to, and the media said he had to, ie keeper, centre back and strikers but none of them, with the exception of Szczezny have improved the team at all. That's not entirely his fault. He maybe should have been far more prepared for Fabregas leaving but he managed to keep him last summer so why not this summer too??

I can't believe I'm sticking up for him!!

As for yesterday, how on earth did Arshavin not get sent off?? 2 borderline yellow/red card challenges AND a deliberate handball. Poor from Webb yet again.
Not getting too giddy after just 3 games. Chelsea won their first 5 or 6 easily last season didn't they and look what happened to them.

Exactly, how many times have we been by far the better side and lost/drawn? 3 points is 3 points and we're comfortably mid-table at the start of a season, which represents a fantastic Everton start...

Rubbish.....I've been a big critic of City's transfer policy, but for me, yesterday's win at Tottenham was probably more impressive than United's.

Both were very good wins, but the United one did have the smell of 'freak' about it....A little bit like when Liverpool hammered Man Utd at OT a few years back.

Once the second United goal went in, there was always a sense that it was going to be more about Arsenal collasping than United playing sublime football and steam-rollering them, and that's what happened....A very good United display, but they won't have many teams rolling over in the manner the Gunners did yesterday.

As for City, it was the sort of performance that truly highlighted their title credentials in a positive way....I doubt too many teams will turn Spurs over like that this season at White Hart Lane and the flow of some City's football was certainly of a title-winning standard.

I'll probably never warm to the City/Chelsea style of buying titles, but if they produce football like yesterday's, then it will make it easier to stomach come the time they eventually win the league.

Davide Santon heading to Newcastle for £5mil. Another cracking signing.

I said it before the season start, but once again, I think they're building a decent side. They are getting rid of overpaid, older players (Nolan + Barton are decent players, but won't ever be more than mid table) and buying young players with lots of potential. I think Cabaye has looked decent, Marveaux has good pedigree but has he played yet?

Santon is a quality player, if he comes to Newcastle he'll be at a top 4 club in 2-3 years. He'll replace Enrique, then they just need another good striker (that French bloke who keeps trying to go on strike?) and they'll have a pretty good side.

That's fine, but IMO it takes absolutely no skill at all (and is not an achievement) to buy a football team fantasy football-style and buy the Premier League. It could be done with any football club if you threw £300 million at them.

If I was a City fan I would get no joy, pride or pleasure at all from however many trophies they buy this season. To those that do, fair dues.

For me, clubs that can be proud and have a feeling of achievement are those like Liverpool and Man United, not Chelsea or Man City.

I'd be more than happy to go back to the days when a team like Forest could come from nowhere to win the League and European Cup. But that era died with the advent of the CL and the huge riches it bestowed on the established "Top 4". I'm just grateful that we got the money rather than, say, Everton.

Its interesting to speculate how United's fortunes would have varied if the CL had been introduced a few years earlier, when Liverpool ruled the roost and United were still in their 80's torpor. And did money automatically mean that Chelsea won their titles, didnt the appointment of Mourhino (before he lost his marbles) have a lot to do with it?

The money clearly makes it possible to compete for titles but it doesnt guarantee it. Who knows, United might still win the league for the next 5 years. The facinating thing for me watching City over the past 3 years has been the "2 steps forward, 1 step backwards" nature of it. Nothing has seemed remotely seemed guaranteed. And for most of those 3 years the general consensus seemed to be that City were doing everything wrong.

Ah, so you wouldn't agree with Kenwright when he said that every club wants to be an Everton?



Fook what everyone else says mate, enjoy what you've got. So what if you invest a lot of money into your team so does a lot of other clubs and they always have. United have spent big money this summer as have Chelsea and Liverpool. I wasn't a big fan of Mancini when he first arrived but he's doing a great job, he's trying to ship out the over paid rubbish previous managers brought in and replace them with genuine quality. I just wish someone would come to Goodison and give Moyes money to spend.



Every team spends money on players though United and Liverpool have spent big this year, in fact Sky put up a caption before yesterday's La Liga matches and Liverpool were 5th highest on net spend in Europe this summer, Chelsea have gone and spent big again this summer too. You need to spend big at some point to bring quality players in. I don't agree they're buying titles, yes they're spending big money but they have to bring in the right players and make them play, I don't agree it's as easy as it sounds.

I thought both City and United were extremely impressive and I wouldn't rate one better than the other, I take the point that City played a more first choice team than United did but some of those goals were just pure class. No matter who Arsenal had playing Young's goals and Rooney's free kicks were brilliant as was Anderson's ball over to Welbeck to start the scoring off.

That is possibly one of the worst opinions ever on RL Fans. How much money have Liverpool and Man U spent respectively?

Are you suggesting that they would be as successful without having any money to spend?

What a clown!

I do find it funny when people think Uniteds team is built on a shoestring. Ferdinand, Rooney, Bernatov were all about £30mil weren't they? De gea, Valencia, nani, young, jones, Anderson were all just £15-20mil.

Exactly mate, well said. You only have to look at this summer and see Chelsea, City, United and Liverpool have all spent big money, I have to laugh when people constantly say Chelsea and City are buying there way to trophies as if United never spend a penny. They've spent massively on De Gea, Jones and Young this summer alone, it isn't just City that spend it's everyone.

I know, it's utter cringe. It's the sheer definition of Irony.

As i pointed out about 3 or 4 pages back, there is a difference between spending money that a club has earned, by either selling other players or general income (Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal et all), and spending money that has literally been handed to you on a plate by Russian or Middle-Eastern owners (Chelsea/City), hence buying the title. I do acknowledge however that it takes the right manager and coaches to push those expensive buys to winning trophies.

Normally you seem quite intelligent but i'm not sure YOU understand either

To be fair, United have a HISTORY of being a big club, thus, it is accepted when they spend big cash.

Chelsea and City are seen as tacky and just being flash, in a loadsamoney type of way.... Sort of like when that chav fella, Michael Carroll (??) won the lottery and behaved like a real bonehead....

That implies that it's ok for them to spend big and no one else, bit strange isn't it?

I'm not saying its any more ok, just more accepted, because of their successful history and size is seen as giving them an entitlement to spend big.

City and Chelsea ( the obvious examples) are just seen as flash foreign-owned clubs, playing real-life fantasy football.