|
![](images/sitelogos/2022-30.jpg) |
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4576 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2010 | Sep 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="LFCRhino"[uEuropa league qualifiers[/u
Liverpool to go through
Aston Villa to go out
Man City to go though
Dundee Utd to go out
Celtic to go out
Motherwell to go through
and the big boys
The New Saints to go out
'"
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10540 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Andy Gilder"You don't get how this works, do you?
In no other line of business when you enter administration are you allowed to pay 100% of your liabilities to some creditors based on what industry they are in but 10% to others. Why should football be any different?
As a non-preferential creditor HMRC won't "eventually get its money". The administrator will make whatever distribution it can as agreed at the creditors meeting, then that's it. You can whistle for the rest of what you're owed as the company disappears and any subsequent "Portsmouth FC Limited 2010" that takes over running the club does so without any of the historic debt of the old business.
If HMRC are owed £10m, but only get paid £1m as a non-preferential creditor that's £9m gone missing out of the exchequer. The likelihood is that instead of going into the public purse where it was supposed to go that money will instead be sat in the Swiss bank account of some very rich footballers and their agents.
Tell me again why that's ok?'"
Football is only different because of the increased potential for the domino effect putting so many other clubs out of business. The rule that needs to be changed is how much transfer debt they are allowed to rack up and needs to be looked at by FIFA. Until then though, having other clubs as preferential creditors is the best answer to a poor situation.
They may not get THAT money, but they'll continue to get money in from Portsmouth's future trading, and those of the other English clubs concerned. If Portsmouth went completely I very much doubt there'll be able to be a replacement for future revenue to HMRC. What I meant by them nearly always getting their money is that they will be around long enough to recoup it. Other clubs may not.
I never said it was right, I said it makes sense.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16166 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2018 | Dec 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Catalancs"As accurate as ever
'"
![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 16239 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Oct 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="carl_spackler"They may not get THAT money, but they'll continue to get money in from Portsmouth's future trading, and those of the other English clubs concerned. If Portsmouth went completely I very much doubt there'll be able to be a replacement for future revenue to HMRC. What I meant by them nearly always getting their money is that they will be around long enough to recoup it. Other clubs may not.
I never said it was right, I said it makes sense.'"
What would make sense would be for the footballing powers that be to scrap the ridiculous preferential creditors rule, and any club going into admin to be forced to find a suitable solution for all creditors, including HMRC (ie you and me the taxpayer).
Once one club were unable to do that and went bust there would have to be a sea change in how clubs were governed, which would prevent them running up these tax debts they couldn't pay in the future, and stop the country being cheated out of the tax revenues it is owed.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1662 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2009 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2014 | Mar 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="ash4hullfc"I don't know why you think the Ben Arfa rumour is so silly. I've been following the story closely and from what I can gather, he does prefer to come to us. We've definitely made at least one bid for him so it's not out of the question for us to sign him.'"
Ashley has already used all of his SportsDirect gift vouchers to bring Perch in, so can't see much more activity for us lot unless the players are available on loan or free transfer/pocket money sums.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14094 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="carl_spackler"Football is only different because of the increased potential for the domino effect putting so many other clubs out of business. The rule that needs to be changed is how much transfer debt they are allowed to rack up and needs to be looked at by FIFA. Until then though, having other clubs as preferential creditors is the best answer to a poor situation.
They may not get THAT money, but they'll continue to get money in from Portsmouth's future trading, and those of the other English clubs concerned. =#FF0000If Portsmouth went completely I very much doubt there'll be able to be a replacement for future revenue to HMRC. What I meant by them nearly always getting their money is that they will be around long enough to recoup it. Other clubs may not.
I never said it was right, I said it makes sense.'"
You think the Football League would continue a team down for the rest of time?
What about the rest of the creditors? The window cleaners, et al. Who cares if they go bust as long as the football clubs are ok.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10540 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"You think the Football League would continue a team down for the rest of time?'"
![Confused icon_confused.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_confused.gif) ?
No. They'll simply promote from below. There'll be no new business entity created to make up the numbers though.
Quote ="Billinge_Lump"What about the rest of the creditors? The window cleaners, et al. Who cares if they go bust as long as the football clubs are ok.'"
Who's said that then?
A CVA/Liquidation or the like always mean some suffer. All I'm saying is the logical thing to do is try to minimise the repurcussions. Making other football clubs and players preferential creditors is an attempt to do this.
I think people are perhaps only looking at this in terms of the high end of football and having their view biased by the obscene amounts of money and the rich seemingly getting looked after. The thing is, if you look at how lower-league clubs can be affected by situations like this, the current practice could be a godsend.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 778 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2009 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2011 | May 2011 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I bet Pompeys tax return is bang on time for the next year because hmrc will be
very hot on late returns ![DOH icon_biggrin.gifOH:](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_doh.gif)
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 15505 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2012 | Aug 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Sergi Samper - remember the name. That lad is going to be one hell of a player.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5695 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2012 | May 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Norwich 2 Watford 3, full time. A pretty entertaining start to the season, hopefully more of the same to come.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1662 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2009 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2014 | Mar 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rughead"Norwich 2 Watford 3, full time. A pretty entertaining start to the season, hopefully more of the same to come.'"
Five goals sounds great value. What more do you want? ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 17971 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2025 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| cash + Ireland in a deal valued at £27.5m for James Milner.
genius business by Villa, I rate Milner but that is mental, Ireland is a cracking player
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1662 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2009 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2014 | Mar 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| He's fallen out of favour a bit at City of late but I reckon O'Neill could get him back to some consistency.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 6038 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2017 | Feb 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| 12 months ago the notion that City would exchange Ireland for Milner and pay a significant fee on top would have been laughable.
Its quite possible that O'Neill will revitalise his career but probably only if he adapts Villa's playing style to suit Ireland. Ireland was a cracking player two years ago playing in a 4-5-1 with a mandate to get forward as much as possible. But he really struggled last year when we switched to a 4-4-2 and he was asked to play a deeper, more disciplined role. Which, considering he'd played all of his junior football in that role, was hard to understand.
It was clear last year that Ireland coudn't play in the same team as Tevez. It will be interesting to see how he fits into Villa's team, particularly whether him and Agbonlahor can gel.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 102009 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| Seems like Elmander has finally worked out where the goal is. Another pre-season goal against Osasuna last night.
I hope to be proved wrong but I'm sure once the regular season starts, normal (lack of) service will be resumed. ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 18736 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2013 | Jan 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="ash4hullfc"Sergi Samper - remember the name. That lad is going to be one hell of a player.'"
Sounds Catalan. Has he signed for you men?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14094 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="carl_spackler"icon_confused.gif ?
No. They'll simply promote from below. There'll be no new business entity created to make up the numbers though.'"
So the clubs being moved up won't increase their respective turnovers to match Portsmouths? Nothing would be lost in that respect with Portsmouth going out of business.
Quote Who's said that then?'"
Well you seem quite happy for other businesses to lose money as long as the football clubs are ok.
Quote A CVA/Liquidation or the like always mean some suffer. All I'm saying is the logical thing to do is try to minimise the repurcussions. Making other football clubs and players preferential creditors is an attempt to do this.'"
It minimises the repercussions for football clubs, and that is all.
Quote I think people are perhaps only looking at this in terms of the high end of football and having their view biased by the obscene amounts of money and the rich seemingly getting looked after. The thing is, if you look at how lower-league clubs can be affected by situations like this, the current practice could be a godsend.'"
For football clubs. Everyone else can go swing.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10540 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"So the clubs being moved up won't increase their respective turnovers to match Portsmouths? Nothing would be lost in that respect with Portsmouth going out of business.
=#0000FFThat's what I doubt happening, yes. I'm not saying it can't, I just wouldn't expect it to.
Well you seem quite happy for other businesses to lose money as long as the football clubs are ok.
=#0000FFSelective reading on your part. I've now said more than once that it isn't right, it's just logical. Once the situation arises it's a case of trying to minimise the repurcussions as you say. It's not possible for everyone to come out of it ok, otherwise the mess wouldn't even be there.
It minimises the repercussions for football clubs, and that is all.
For football clubs. Everyone else can go swing.'"
Both these 2 comments shortsightedly see the clubs themselves as the only entities benefitting. The fact is, the clubs most likely have far more stakeholders than any of the other creditors.
I'll say it one more time as clearly as I can, as you seem to think I [ilike[/i the way things are: I don't think it's right that some people/business won't be getting all of their money owed (I can hugely sympathise, it's part of what I do for a living), however, I can see the sense in why football clubs are considered preferential creditors in order to prevent a house of cards effect.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 7121 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2019 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Ireland's a better player than Milner.
I can't wait to see Milner flop, he is grossly overrated, like, it's disturbing how he is valued over £10m. Has many limitations for such a dear player, not sure where he'll end up playing, an average winger and a midfielder without playmaking/controlling abilities, or particularly great defensive discipline or positioning. Add to that you aren't getting great athleticism or a powerful, dominant figure, it's hard to see what exactly City see in him, other than his great stats in a very limited Villa side.
Sometimes, you see a signing that has dumb written allover it, this is definitely a dumb signing, in my opinion.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 15505 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2012 | Aug 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Catalancs"Sounds Catalan. Has he signed for you men?'"
Ha, I wish. You got the Catalan bit right though, he plays for Barcelona Under 15's (not sure what the proper name of the team is).
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 15505 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2012 | Aug 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="ash4hullfc"I don't know why you think the Ben Arfa rumour is so silly. I've been following the story closely and from what I can gather, he does prefer to come to us. We've definitely made at least one bid for him so it's not out of the question for us to sign him.'"
You can't say I didn't try and tell you, Andy. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 16239 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Oct 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I see Strachan's experiment in how the old firm would get on in the English leagues didn't get off to the best of starts.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 16239 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Oct 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8894651.stm13 of the England World Cup squad are left out for the Hungary friendly.[/url
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16166 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2018 | Dec 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Asim"I see Strachan's experiment in how the old firm would get on in the English leagues didn't get off to the best of starts.'"
It does seem that way doesnt it ![THINK eusa_think.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_think.gif)
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 7121 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2019 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Asim"[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8894651.stm13 of the England World Cup squad are left out for the Hungary friendly.[/url'"
Will he play Wilshere in midfield? I hope so.
|
|
|
![](images/sitelogos/2022-30.jpg) |
|