Going on a tagent slightly whats your opinion on Jason Campbell? I have a feeling he won't be with you next year (isn't he a FA?) but he seems to get alot of grief in the media/fans.

Personally i'm a fan of his, he could do a very good job for some teams.

Anybody seen the Philly snowball fight?

I have now

You've go to say that it's in Baltimore and Denvers hands to throw it away. I can't help but think that one win each and their in. The Ravens, Steelers game will be huge. I think Baltimore will take that and pretty much clinch their berth in the playoffs.

Denver won't win in Philly, but should beat KC at Mikle High.

Houston and Miami both need to win that one. I can only see a Miami win there. Henne is coming into his own, and although beat last week, took that resurgent Titans team all the way.

I think the Jets remaining schedule rules them out. Jacksonville intrigue me. I love Mo-Jo, but don't get Garrard. He looked great against the Colts at times, but other times he is dreadful. It's for that reason I can't see them getting in with 2 tough road games.

The Titans have a real shot. I hope they don't get in for 2 reasons - 1. They play the Chargers on Friday. 2. They are the dirtiest team in the NFL who head hunt players and intentionally injure them. That dirty mentality all stems from Fisher.

As a Titans fan I would love you to tell me ( and show me ) why they are the dirtiest team in the NFL nad instances of headhunting ? No player on any team ever goes out to intentionally to hurt another player and to say that is disrespectful to every NFL player. Jeff Fisher certainly has no dirty mentality.

Link ?

I hear the Jets ejected 29 fans due to snowballing.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/05/rodney-harrison-calls-titans-the-dirtiest-team-in-the-league/Rodney Harrison[/url agrees with me. He should know about dirty play!



The Titans are constantly going for the knees of players on blocks. Mawae is just a cheap shot merchant. The double team - I think it was the Mawae and someone else - that messed up Merrimans knee and left him having a year on the sidelines summed it all up for me. Finnegan is partial to the odd cheap shot too. Every time I see them play something goes on.

That sounds soooo wrong!

Just type Philly snowball fight into that "tubeyou" place

Seen it.

Finally got myself Madden 10 on PS3 thanks to ebay



Only 4.99 too brand new (so it says)

Played a few online games today, lots of n00bs using the chargers in a 3TE set, shifting Jon Runyan as a TE to straight behind to qb and running it behind him. It's jsut a cheap way to play. Especially as I play honest.

Week 16 Spreads:

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
12/25 7:30 ET At Tennessee -3 San Diego
12/27 1:00 ET At Green Bay -14 Seattle
12/27 1:00 ET At Cleveland -3.5 Oakland
12/27 1:00 ET At Cincinnati -13.5 Kansas City
12/27 1:00 ET At Atlanta -9 Buffalo
12/27 1:00 ET At Miami -3 Houston
12/27 1:00 ET At NY Giants -7 Carolina
12/27 1:00 ET At New Orleans -14 Tampa Bay
12/27 1:00 ET At New England -7.5 Jacksonville
12/27 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -2.5 Baltimore
12/27 4:15 ET At Philadelphia -7 Denver
12/27 4:05 ET At Arizona -14 St. Louis
12/27 4:05 ET At San Francisco -12 Detroit
12/27 4:15 ET At Indianapolis -5.5 NY Jets
12/27 8:20 ET Dallas -7 At Washington

Monday Night Football Point Spread

12/28 8:35 ET Minnesota -7 At Chicago

Picks underlined and bolded.


12/25 7:30 ET At Tennessee -3 [uSan Diego [/u
12/27 1:00 ET At [uGreen Bay[/u -14 Seattle
12/27 1:00 ET At [uCleveland[/u -3.5 Oakland
12/27 1:00 ET At Cincinnati -13.5 [uKansas City [/u
12/27 1:00 ET At Atlanta -9 [uBuffalo[/u
12/27 1:00 ET At Miami -3 [uHouston[/u
12/27 1:00 ET At [uNY Giants[/u -7 Carolina
12/27 1:00 ET At [uNew Orleans[/u -14 Tampa Bay
12/27 1:00 ET At New England -7.5 [uJacksonville[/u
12/27 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -2.5 [uBaltimore[/u
12/27 4:15 ET At [uPhiladelphia[/u -7 Denver
12/27 4:05 ET At Arizona -14 [uSt. Louis[/u
12/27 4:05 ET At San Francisco -12 [uDetroit[/u
12/27 4:15 ET At [uIndianapolis[/u -5.5 NY Jets
12/27 8:20 ET Dallas -7 At [uWashington[/u
12/28 8:35 ET [uMinnesota[/u -7 At Chicago

The Titans really favourites over San Diego??

I don't think we do Seattle by 14 either but i always back us.

San Diego
Seattle
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Atlanta
Miami
NY Giants
Tampa Bay
New England
Baltimore
Philadelphia
Arizona
San Francisco
Indianapolis
Dallas
Minnesota

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
12/25 7:30 ET At Tennessee -3 San Diego
12/27 1:00 ET At Green Bay -14 Seattle
12/27 1:00 ET At Cleveland -3.5 Oakland
12/27 1:00 ET At Cincinnati -13.5 Kansas City
12/27 1:00 ET At Atlanta -9 Buffalo
12/27 1:00 ET At Miami -3 Houston
12/27 1:00 ET At NY Giants -7 Carolina
12/27 1:00 ET At New Orleans -14 Tampa Bay
12/27 1:00 ET At New England -7.5 Jacksonville
12/27 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -2.5 Baltimore
12/27 4:15 ET At Philadelphia -7 Denver
12/27 4:05 ET At Arizona -14 St. Louis
12/27 4:05 ET At San Francisco -12 Detroit
12/27 4:15 ET At Indianapolis -5.5 NY Jets
12/27 8:20 ET Dallas -7 At Washington

Monday Night Football Point Spread

12/28 8:35 ET Minnesota -7 At Chicago

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
12/25 7:30 ET At Tennessee -3 San Diego
12/27 1:00 ET At Green Bay -14 Seattle
12/27 1:00 ET At Cleveland -3.5 Oakland
12/27 1:00 ET At Cincinnati -13.5 Kansas City
12/27 1:00 ET At Atlanta -9 Buffalo
12/27 1:00 ET At Miami -3 Houston
12/27 1:00 ET At NY Giants -7 Carolina
12/27 1:00 ET At New Orleans -14 Tampa Bay
12/27 1:00 ET At New England -7.5 Jacksonville
12/27 1:00 ET At Pittsburgh -2.5 Baltimore
12/27 4:15 ET At Philadelphia -7 Denver
12/27 4:05 ET At Arizona -14 St. Louis
12/27 4:05 ET At San Francisco -12 Detroit
12/27 4:15 ET At Indianapolis -5.5 NY Jets
12/27 8:20 ET Dallas -7 At Washington

Monday Night Football Point Spread

12/28 8:35 ET Minnesota -7 At Chicago

apparently not.



Unlucky for the Packers though mate, really gave it a good crack, shame your "psycho" defence couldn't hold them out on the last drive. That's why Big Ben is "elite" pal. Although Rodgers is almost there.

Really hope Chris Johnson gets his 2,000 yard season hes one of those players I would pay to watch he is amazing.

=#8000FFHe isn't...really. Elite is top 3 or 4 at most, big Ben isn't that high up, top 5-7 yes, top 3-4, no.

=1 Brady (not his best year - but what can you expect after missing 12 month), Manning
3 Brees
4 Rivers

I await the "Brady is only good because he had "good" recievers bit" even though until Moss and Welker turned up the best he had was Deion Branch/Troy Brown and David Patten



.

We may have won Superbowls whilst this bunch was here but IMO it just shows that Teams win championships and not individuals

Don't forget Bethel Johnson & Reche Caldwell

Ben isn't elite in any criteria IMO.

I suppose it depends on your criteria and whether you base it on one year or overall.

Overall
1. Favre
2. Manning
3. Brady

This Year
1. Manning
2. Breesus
=3. Rodgers + Rivers
5. Schaub
6. Brady

Why are Brees and Rees considered Elite but Big Ben isn't? Too much emphasis on Stats when it comes to QBs.

There's only one stat that matters and that is Championships. IIRC Ben has two and Brees and and Rivers none.

I don't see how Ben can be anything but elite. For me elite = can you produce a game winning drive when it matters. Ben can do this and as such is up there as one of the best for me. Same goes for Eli.

Rodgers is well on his way to being one of the top QB's in the league but he's just not quite there for me yet.