Speccy, have a Snickers...

I wish to protest in the strongest possible terms about your post. This is utterly disgraceful. You, of all people, should know that in this context, it's "its", it's not "it's".

What next - Sadfi'sh?

The shame.

Ironically, this anti trolling post is one of the worst trolling efforts seen on RLfans.
Give yer head a shake :

Their opinions (and mine, or anyone else you care to choose) might seem absolutely stupid to you. What they see as pointing out problems in the game, you may see as 'running the game down', but it's not a fundamentally illogical position to say... " I love RL, and the reason I moan all the time is because I think x,y,z are totally wrong". It might be a daft opinion, the opinion of an attention-seeker, an idiot, a moaner, whatever, but there's still no contradiction in loving the game and moaning about the running of it. There's also no rule (and nor should there be) that says people who have gripes should be compelled to make 'positive' posts now and again. If you, or whoever, sees these people as just constant whingers, then you probably pay no attention to them. That's your right. But do you seriously expect the admins to assess some sort of 'positivity quota' and ban people who don't make the grade? This is a good forum for people to express opinions. Some people have opinions which aren't the same as yours. Some think everything in the game is fine, some think we're heading for oblivion, and most think something in-between. But what's the problem? How does sharing opinions on here have the slightest impact on anything?

Speccy...for someone who supposedly dislikes Union, you sure as hell "claim to" know a fair bit about it

Gutterfax also posts on an Aussie RL forum, but it seems only in their "The Fight Club" area, which as the name suggests is a keyboard fight between a few sports, if you can call some of them sports. So indeed he is a permanent wind up merchant in regards to RLeague forums it seems. IMO we should have a Fight Club area on here, for me to be able to put gutters right about union and League, by my name you can guess that I played a lot of union. I've watched it at times since 1981, and even watched much of the recent matches in Oz, but I said for the first time ever, after the 3rd "Test" in Sydney, that's the last ever union match I'm going to watch.

Learn to research before you post mate......things ain't always as they seem!

I was a happy-go-lucky poster on here until a number of Aussie based idiots decided to "start a code war" on the NRL boards back on 2009. They don't post here any more, because they swore a lot and whined like stuck pigs when they were shown up, but before they "left" they invited me TFC on the league Unlimited site with the promise that I wouldn't last 5 minutes......guess what? That's right...I am still there....they are internet bullies who don't like the truth when it's put to them....and every criticism of RL on that site is met with State of Origin and $1 billion dollars.....they point and laugh at the bigger and more popular codes of Soccer, Union and AFL because they are scared and they only post "in groups".....
I don't post anywhere else on that site because when they were getting their s handed to them too regularly, they restricted my access like it was a punishment...



I post here with regard to League and enjoy the debates and conversation about the game, both it's good bits and its bad. I am not on any wind up.....if I was, I wouldn't have lasted 160 posts, let alone 16,000. Yes, I am sometimes blunt and often controversial, often accused of being

Lastly, with regards to the claims made by the OP, of the 23 players who ran out for Japan v Wales, 5 were non born Japanese....regardless of the off the cuff remark by the OP, the rest were all born in the country from all the statistics and reports I can find on-line. Happy to be proven wrong.....but I doubt he'll bother trying to prove it.

Put me right then?
Seriously....I have never said Union is a better game...I played at first class level in the late 80's (although I was never good enough to get an imaginary job at ICI) and am fully aware of its shortcomings.
Where you'll find I am generally attacked is on my stance that the IRB and individual RFU's are far better run than the governing bodies of RL pretty much everywhere other than on the Eastern Australian Seaboard.
The Scrum in Union is a farce, the game itself far slower than League (or chess for that matter) yet by comparison off the field, Wales v France last year in league got less than 1,500 people in attendance...do I need to tell you what the other lot get for the same game?

I get frustrated when the better game seems happy to accept it's place....it takes a contra sponsorship deal when the Aviva takes 20 million......the TV deal increases slightly, BT pay top dollar for the Union...the RLWC is on access TV for christs sake........but when I decry this, I am branded a troll or a naysayer.

Go on.....Put me right

Obviously I didn't know you were invited onto The Fight Club, or that you are banned from other areas on the site; how would you expect me to know that?

Anyway, the ruck, it's the most important part of both codes; however it's too big a part in union, the flankers are now the "Rock Stars" of union, as one Welshie put it in 2011 after the WC. This along with the fact that tight-head props have been known to be the highest paid on some rosters is wrong. You can't have forwards being paid more than the vast majority of backs! I know that the No.9's in League are classed as forwards, but they're obviously backs masquerading as forwards.

As far as attendances are concerned, you could put 15 cardboard cut-outs in Welsh union jerseys in the Millennium Stadium and you'd get a crowd. You know about the Establishment conspiracy against League over the years, the armed forces, private schools etc. I went to a private school for 7 years. England wanted rugby union opposition to play against, so they had to contrive/force, whatever, to make sure they had some. Of course the Guest and the Crawshay families, rich London Pommie families who came to Wales who basically took over the Welsh mines, they were a part of stopping Wales from developing organically, and allowing rugby league to develop, I'm not saying that it would be bigger than what soccer is, but it would be bigger than what League currently is in Wales. And that's before I get onto France 1940-1942.

But it's the actual on-field sport I want to focus on, where were the decoy runners in the third Test recently? Also the cut-out passes, backs moves, deception plays. Backs not getting much ball, and the lack of space they have? The players who get children to the ground, and bums on seats generally aren't able to express their skills. I watched some U12's union a couple of yrs ago, absolute chaos. Laws have to be changed.

1. I've never said Union is a better game...nor have I said it was perfect in any way. It is flawed.
2. The "Establishment ate my homework" stuff is rolled out far too much for anyone's liking....why do RL fans always bemoan the actions of the other code in "keeping it down" instead of brushing themselves down and getting on with the promotion of the game?

FFS......The RLWC has been going since 1954 in some way shape or form. From what I can gather from textbooks, reports and wiki is that more people attended the Union internationals in 2012 played featuring the teams ranked 1-11 by the IRB than have attended every game or every world cup since 1954.......this is where I believe that League is falling short.

You and I know that Union is gash by comparison, but it is convincing the British public that is the trick.......and Ireland v Australia at Thomond park in front of 9k ain't going to do it!

By the way....did THE Establishment make more SKY TV viewers tune in to the REPLAY of the Lions game the other week than watched either Superleague game LIVE?

Stop bemoaning the actions of those in the past and deal with the now......70,000 fans attend SL games most weeks...if each of them were to sell 8 tickets to friends in return for 2 freebies, you'd have sold out this RLWC ages ago.....instead, they've already started discounting the already discounted offers....

For what it's worth Gutterfax,I played union at various levels,I played union with someone who is in Frank Cottons all time England XV and I'm a Vice President of a Union Club - up til around level 3/4,union is a very good and varied game,with an exceptional strong social ethos.

That's a great way to put it.

A union v league debate. That's a move to the "other sports" forum.

Thank goodness for thread drift.

Yes, heaven forbid you'd have to actually respond to the initial point or do something about it.

It's fine, now we are all clear on what the forum's rules on blatant trolling are, i'll stop contributing sensibly and just start annoying people.

g-fax,

Why don't you put this passion and time into trying to get the French government to compensate French RL?

Also, most Pommies who have SKY are v.nationalistic, they'll watch that over and over again, a Welshie wrote the other day somewhere that he's watched the Wales v England 6N match this year about 20 times. Not due to the quality of the product but because it somehow makes him feel better, I detest nationalism. The reason my user name is such is so you have an idea where I'm coming from, view and historically wise. You know RL can't drive a hard negotiation, as they'll just sit back, cross their arms and say in a condescending way say, "So how many in the ABC demographic actually watch your game?"

But 'they' are fearful of RL, they keep an eye on what we're doing.

But I've noticed on leegunlimited.kom that you haven't posted anything on the NRL page just The F Club. So what does that say to me. Well obviously that you're a far bigger supporter of Union, obviously.

it says you need to speak to your doctor about short term memory loss

g-fax,

Are you telling me you've posted on the NRL bit & other areas, but they've taken all your posts on there off, as on your "find all posts" section it shows you've only posted on TFC; so if you don't ever give a fairly positive comment, or just a contribution, why do you bother to come on here and the Aussie forum?

I posted on the main boards.....they restricted my access there as a "punishment".

I am into 16,000+ posts here....very few are negative, many are subjective and often as not, they are about the clusterf**k that is the team I support in London.

I am flattered that you feel the need to research my posting history. I go by the same name wherever I post and never shy away from a decent debate regarding the game of RL or where it stands and how it could grow.

Come back when you want to discuss the game and it's flaws and when you've stopped trying to score points.....you'll have noticed that the thread has been bounced off the main forum by the way...that happens when trolls post threads looking to stir up crap on these boards....indiscriminate bans are the stuff of LU

Good grief! That's not trolling, that's therapy.

Cheaper than a shrink, I suppose.

G-fax,

You did tell me to do some research into your posting history on LeegU, I did about 50 seconds of it. I've just found it difficult to get a feel as to where you're coming from that's all; as I read more of your posts I hopefully will, I suppose I've been suspicious of your sincerity on RL forums, if you'd have had my life you'd be suspicious too.

Gutters was banned for a few months on LU after he was caught using multiple accounts. The day after his ban expired he was back posting 10 anti-RL threads in a couple of hours lol

He's our own George Constanza, if he spent half as much time actually working as he does posting here and on other RL forums he'd probably be quite well off.

I am your own????????
Feeling the love Loxy......feeling the love

The thing is, trolling can be subjective.

What one person considers trolling, another might consider a fair point in a discussion.

Yes, you get the occasional idiot who will go onto opposition sites and slate them after they get beaten/off field problems etc, but most know to ignore them or in several cases begin mocking them back for using poor logic or limited facts, however this can lead to the person being mocked going off in a huff and locking the thread

1. I go on LU The Fight Club for fun......I make no bones about it. I was invited there to troll and I don't disappoint...they are that regretful that they banned me for 3 months for using the word "nip" to describe Japanese rugby, yet the constantly call me a thick paddy Irish troll.


2. I post about RL here....both the good stuff and the bad. Some posters, like the OP in this thread, attempt to tag me as a troll here in the hope of getting me banned.....most of the original trouble makers from the NRL boards here resent the fact that they are banned from this site...it is their stated aim to try and get me banned....this thread is a perfect example.


3. Aside from the NRL TV deal, RL as a professional sport is far from perfect. Neither is Union, the game I am supposed to represent, but whilst Union finds it's openly professional feet, it does have the mammoth International set up to tide it over.....league doesn't and as such, finds itself 90%+ reliant on Uncle Rupert's TV cash. Not sure about anyone else, but that to me is not a good business model.
4. League unlimited restricted my access to the fight club only as some form of punishment...the reality is, there is a far greater level of debate on this forum than there, which is what a forum is all about...debate and discussion. If we all agreed with each other we'd be as boring as bat!

Amazes me how on many different forums, especially the TotalRL.com forum, if you have an opinion that is alternative, you are by default a "troll". Some people here seriously need a reality check or they should be at school and not playing about on the computer....