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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"I actually meant a younger fighter......Once Froch has fought those two fights, he will probably retire.
I think Ward is likely to become the p4p champion, the problem is, he seems head and shoulders above his rivals, which, coupled with his style, makes his fights relatively dull.
I'd personally love to see the heavyweight division grab the spotlight again....If only Haye would take the sport seriously, David Price fulfil his potential and the US produce a decent contender, then along with Wladimir (Vitali will be gone soon), there might just be the chance of a few half decent bouts in the next few years.'"
maybe kell brook then if he beats alexander and khan... might be a longshot that though
current heavyweights all just waiting for klitchkos to retire then they can get the belt easy and call themselves champs.
how come povetkin hasnt got in with the ukraine brothers yet? hes the only unbeaten champ that holds one of the 4 belts at the moment
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| Well after 4 fights some justice was finally done. Marquez should have at least 2 more wins over Pac IMO, and I'm so glad he managed to get the win in such emphatic fashion. Its clear Pac has been on the decline for a while, probably since the Hatton fight as his punch output has reduceded and he has become more involved in politics. It also seems clear to me that any chance of a fight between Pacman and Mayweather is just about dead in the water, although I've never been that bothered about seeing it because I've always been convinced Mayweather would be just too good for Pac. In many ways it could prove good for boxing as it gives the likes of Bronner, Gamboa, Rigondaux, Gary Russell Jnr, Golovkin, and Donaire the chance to really step up and become boxing's next big star.
On the subject of steroid use in boxing, there was an interesting article posted by a top boxing journo about Mayweather's steroid use. I'll try to find it and post a link on here.
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| The Brook-Alexander fight is off because Brook has an ankle injury. Hearn hopes the fight will still takes place in February or March at the latest. Its a shame because I fancied Brook to KO Alexander.
Looking forward to a good weekend of boxing:
Khan-Molina (apprantly Angel Garcia will be one of Molina's assistant trainers and will oversee Khan's hands being wrapped)
Donaire-Arce.
Groves-Johnson.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"The Brook-Alexander fight is off because Brook has an ankle injury. Hearn hopes the fight will still takes place in February or March at the latest. Its a shame because I fancied Brook to KO Alexander.
Looking forward to a good weekend of boxing:
Khan-Molina (apprantly Angel Garcia will be one of Molina's assistant trainers and will oversee Khan's hands being wrapped)
Donaire-Arce.
Groves-Johnson.'"
at least the brook fight will still go ahead, if its in new york though he will have to be very good if it goes to the judges cards!
khan should win shouldnt he but said that before..
donaire looks very good
groves should get the win on points, will be hard to stop johnson
next superstar.. how about the young mexican alvares?
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| Alvarez looks to be being groomed as the next big Mexican star, and he's looked good so far although, he needs to step his competition.
I reckon Groves will stop Johnson, Johnson is now so far over the hill its sad.
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| Looking forward to the Khan fight. Interesting to see if Virgil Hunter will have any impact on his performance, Roach said last week that he won't be able to change Khan.
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| Looks like Price is fighting Tony Thompson next in Liverpool in Feb. It will be the 3rd fight in a row Price has fought someone over 40.
On a better note, Fury-Price has now gone to a purse bid.
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| tony thompson what a joke, did you see his last fight? soon as he felt wlads jab he didnt want to know, heavyweight division still a joke.
khan can change his trainer but he cant change his chin.
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| Quote ="brearley84"
khan can change his trainer but he cant change his chin.'"
Yes, but he can learn to protect it in a much wiser way - Look at Lennox Lewis. It could easily be argued he had a dodgy chin, but he learnt to protect it and box to his own strengths.
Khan needs to learn he has to use his speed of hand and foot and to simply box, rather than get engaged in Tyson-style brawls which, while entertaining, are suicidal for Khan's long term future.
Personally, I'm not sure he has the brain or the patience to become a 12 Round points win- type boxer.....I would expect a win tomorrow night and maybe a few more impressive wins in the near future, but he is an accident waiting to happen - Makes for good viewing though...
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"Yes, but he can learn to protect it in a much wiser way - Look at Lennox Lewis. It could easily be argued he had a dodgy chin, but he learnt to protect it and box to his own strengths.
Khan needs to learn he has to use his speed of hand and foot and to simply box, rather than get engaged in Tyson-style brawls which, while entertaining, are suicidal for Khan's long term future.
Personally, I'm not sure he has the brain or the patience to become a 12 Round points win- type boxer.....I would expect a win tomorrow night and maybe a few more impressive wins in the near future, but he is an accident waiting to happen - Makes for good viewing though...
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if khan loses this one he running out of people to blame!
fully expect him to win but i expected him to win the last two and he didnt, if he loses its back down to european level.
would of got more respect if he had gone and revenged his losses, prescott etc but instead just picked other easier fights..unlike froch, marquez, pacman
or even get the fight of 2011 back on with maidana!!!! look at pacman and marquez they have rematches... every body wanted to see a rematch but he didnt want to know, thats why people dont respect him like the other true warriors.
the talk of fighting mayweather was laughable.
think he will go for garcia next if he wins but this would be a massive danger with garcias punch power, wouldnt surprise me if he dodges him
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| Very accomplished performance from AK.
Molina was brave but limited.
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| yep khan gets the job done against a smaller guy again and someone who shouldnt of been in the same ring really.
but khan broke him up round after round...got caught again which he will at world level.
talking garcia again now.. khan has browen both hands though, wonder how long this will kepp him out.
ward asking froch to make him an offer
groves won on points as expected
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but khan broke him up round after round...got caught again which he will at world level.
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The fact is, he has only been knocked out twice, both times against fighters he could be accused of under-rating....The biggest puncher he has ever faced, Marcos Maidana, he outboxed and, despite some scares which were only to be expected, he looked very good and very well prepared.
It seems to me that Khan's biggest enemy is over confidence - The more people expect him to get ko'd, the less its likely to happen, and vice versa when he faces a seemingly easier opponent.
Boxing wise, Khan is a class act....He has fast hands and hits accurately, he just needs to be more clever when he steps up to the top level.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"icon_rolleyes.gif ....Its obvious from the tone of your posts that you don't rate Khan, but you do make me laugh with this assumption that once he gets hit by a big puncher then he will get knocked out?
The fact is, he has only been knocked out twice, both times against fighters he could be accused of under-rating....The biggest puncher he has ever faced, Marcos Maidana, he outboxed and, despite some scares which were only to be expected, he looked very good and very well prepared.
It seems to me that Khan's biggest enemy is over confidence - The more people expect him to get ko'd, the less its likely to happen, and vice versa when he faces a seemingly easier opponent.
Boxing wise, Khan is a class act....He has fast hands and hits accurately, he just needs to be more clever when he steps up to the top level.'"
nope dont rate khan, only gets credit for beating maidana in my book, showed great heart but that fight so easily could of been stopped by the ref at stages, fight of the year!!! loved it, why not get it on again? oh hang on....
once he gets caught he does his bambi leg wobbles, even fighters like limond and gomez but him on his backside (getting a longer than 10 count for the limond drop )
at world level he will get caught out again.
lightning hand speed though.
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| Quote ="brearley84"nope dont rate khan, only gets credit for beating maidana in my book, showed great heart but that fight so easily could of been stopped by the ref at stages, fight of the year!!! loved it, why not get it on again? oh hang on....
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While the first fight was a great one and Maidana certainly had his moments, the fact is, Khan was a class above him - On my card, he won it clearly by 4 or 5 points, and the suggestion that the ref could have stopped Khan is a bizarre one...Yes, he was wobbled and was on unsteady legs, but if he had been stopped, it would have been a scandal as Khan had similarly had Maidana in big trouble at various points in the bout.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"I'm not sure what Khan gains by having a rematch with Maidana....The only time he will need that fight is if he loses again and needs to make cash by getting involved in title-less fights that appeal to US audiences, in a similar way to the Gatti-Ward series.
While the first fight was a great one and Maidana certainly had his moments, the fact is, Khan was a class above him - On my card, he won it clearly by 4 or 5 points, and the suggestion that the ref could have stopped Khan is a bizarre one...Yes, he was wobbled and was on unsteady legs, but if he had been stopped, it would have been a scandal as Khan had similarly had Maidana in big trouble at various points in the bout.'"
this is what will seperate khan from the others... would get much more respect from the fans if he gave them what they wanted like as you say gatti-ward.. marquez-pacman.. eubank-benn.
i think khan was one more shot away from being KO'd by maidana, was a brilliant fight, shame there was no part 2.
id like to see him take on judah again too as this was abit of a strange fight the way it was stopped! might happen as garcia fights judah next?
imagine when khan goes up to welterweight, the punchers will be even harder! but he can always look for an opponent with a low KO ratio.
how the hell has arthur abraham wrangles himself another world title
think thats it for the big fights now for a while isnt it? can look forward to kell brook in feb time.
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| Well Khan wanted to fight Bradley and unify the division but Bradley didn't want to know. So he went to Peterson's backyard to fight him instead, Peterson was a top 5 rated LWW, he wasn't given the decsion but I thought he won, and then he took on Garcia to unify again, he took a thunderous shot which would have finished most fighters - even Garcia's power was too much for a roided up iron chinned Moarales. The fact is there arn't many big punchers in the LWW division apart from Garcia, Maidana and Lucas Matthysse. Matthysse is now the mandatary for Garcia's WBC title so a fight between him and Khan may happen next year.
Even at WW the 4 current champions (Gurrerro, Bradley, Alexander, Malinaggi) arn't punchers. As a boxing fan I want to see the best in each division fight each other, Khan has done that generally, and although some of his opponents may not be power punchers he's always in exciting fights it seems.
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| Khan has mentioned originally he was keen on having Naazim Richardson be his new trainer (the fact they share the same religion may possibly have been a factor) but Richardson doesn't believe Khan should be fighting @ 140, but I think Khan has played an absolute master stroke in recruiting Virgil Hunter; he's the main reason why Ward is as good as he is rather than Ward's own natural ability IMO.
Having seen a lot of footage of Hunter it's clear to me that Freddie Roach isn't even in this guy's league on a lot of levels. I'd go so far as to say that Roach was a bad influence on Khan in terms of how he conducted himself and I get the impression Khan now realises this.
Under Hunter Khan has no option but to remain humble and get his head down and in turn I think Hunter will be a really positive influence on Khan as a fighter and a person. Hunter has already said that had he been around when Garcia's dad was trash talking whilst Khan was speaking at press conferences, that he would have interceded and shut Garcia Snr up. Things like this maybe small but it will help Khan focus
I think Khan should go for Peterson first and then Garcia next summer. Then he can move up to 147 were there are mega fights.
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| Quote ="General Zod."Khan has mentioned originally he was keen on having Naazim Richardson be his new trainer (the fact they share the same religion may possibly have been a factor) but Richardson doesn't believe Khan should be fighting @ 140, but I think Khan has played an absolute master stroke in recruiting Virgil Hunter; he's the main reason why Ward is as good as he is rather than Ward's own natural ability IMO.
Having seen a lot of footage of Hunter it's clear to me that Freddie Roach isn't even in this guy's league on a lot of levels. I'd go so far as to say that Roach was a bad influence on Khan in terms of how he conducted himself and I get the impression Khan now realises this.
Under Hunter Khan has no option but to remain humble and get his head down and in turn I think Hunter will be a really positive influence on Khan as a fighter and a person. Hunter has already said that had he been around when Garcia's dad was trash talking whilst Khan was speaking at press conferences, that he would have interceded and shut Garcia Snr up. Things like this maybe small but it will help Khan focus
I think Khan should go for Peterson first and then Garcia next summer. Then he can move up to 147 were there are mega fights.'"
khan was still getting caught by molina though even with hunters training, mind you not been together that long, but at this level your always going to get caught..
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| Interestingly, Khan never does any training outside his training camps. Hunter has said he will now be training a few times a week outside of his training camps.
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| Anyone seen much of Deontay Wilder? He's a 6'8 HW prospect from America, he's not that great technical but I reckon he's got more power than Price from what I've seen, 100% KO ratio so far after 26 fights, albeit against weak oposistion. I reckon Fury and Price would out-box him at the moment but he's one to keep an eye on.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Anyone seen much of Deontay Wilder? He's a 6'8 HW prospect from America, he's not that great technical but I reckon he's got more power than Price from what I've seen, 100% KO ratio so far after 26 fights, albeit against weak oposistion. I reckon Fury and Price would out-box him at the moment but he's one to keep an eye on.'"
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| The HW division isn't as dead as its made out to be, there's a few good fights that could get made but it seems the fighters and promotors are scared of losing a potential shot at one of the brothers. Povetkin, Pulez, Price, Fury, Boystov, Wilder, Arreola, Chageav, they could all fight each other. 2013 could be the year HW boxing becomes relevant again.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"The HW division isn't as dead as its made out to be, there's a few good fights that could get made but it seems the fighters and promotors are scared of losing a potential shot at one of the brothers. Povetkin, Pulez, Price, Fury, Boystov, Wilder, Arreola, Chageav, they could all fight each other. 2013 could be the year HW boxing becomes relevant again.
Also I see Golden Boy have applied for a liscense to promote events in the UK. That could be a huge boost for the sport in this country.'"
i think they are all just waiting for the brothers to retire... then they can call themselves the heavyweight champ with 3 belts up for grabs
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