Whats the point though when there positions and roles are different it would be like me saying Torres is light years better than bridge.

Kuyt had 15 goals and 6 assists last season not bad for a defensive striker playing on the right wing.

Dirk Kuyt was overall light years ahead of Robinho last season. In terms of attacking play and defensive play.

Robinho is poor.

There is nothing wrong with comparing 'attacking' players. However, comparing a left-back with a striker is a bit too much.

So one of the best players in one of the top two international teams is poor? Yet you idolise a player who looks average for England.

Does that make it 20 goals in three seasons now?


I don't think he's terrible, by any stretch. However, for someone to say that he is better than Robinho...

40 in three seasons shouldn't believe everything you read or hear..

Is that one every five games playing for one of the top 3 clubs?

Not so bad, I was sat near a few people in Valencia shirts, so it wasn't so bad. Pre-match music was far too loud.

I doubt he's played 200 games in 3 seasons.

Did the United fans sing/chant quite a bit about City and Liverpool?

On the wing who is a defensive striker aint bad.

They didn't sing that much. Just the usual "Rooney! Rooney!" chant.

Shown how much of an intimidating set of fans they are when the Valencia players walked out to a few howls and boos





Last time I went OT I was at the top of the horrible North Stand which I didn't like, but I was bang in the corner yesterday so there was quite a big gap in between seats for me to stretch my legs, had a pretty decent view as well. David Silva is so good, every dream until September 1st will be devoted to him

According to rumours he's on the way.

Had these rumours since April/May, can only hope one will be true.

SSNews reckon that Spurs have got Bassong, £10m quoted.

Mike Ashley is clearly a tool of the highest order, to give him a crumb of credability, since Newcastles relegation, he's done a good job of getting decent money for players he's clearly got to let go.

Martins £9m & Bassong £10m.

There's been no 'Fire Sale' that folk talk of.

That's very, very funny.

Were there any chants of "He's behind you" and "Oh no he's not" too?




He's top class. I would like to see him play over here as a No10

Just to continue a discussion I had in the pub last night.....

Frank Lampard - World Class or just a good premiership player?

World class. Consistently one of the most productive players in world football. Does it in the league and CL. Can't really knock him.

71000 for a friendly.

Lets see how many the real manchester club get on Saturday vs Celtic.

Sh*t - are Celtic in town at the weekend? For once I'm my life I'll be pleased to be in widnes.

Mate I am not sure how being in Trafford MBC or the City of Manchester affects attendances

World class. A good Premiership player is someone along the lines of Matthew Taylor. I don't think Barry is much more than a good player. Thats all he is. Good.

Lampard is class.

Thats it son. You know the score.

Barry Horne? He's the level of Matt Taylor