If, and it's a big if, you can get the best out of Ibrahimovic then he would be the best for me. He hasn't done it in the big games yet though I think he may well finally come of age at Barca. The lads skill is absolutely sublime. Torres is almost certainly the best out and out striker in the Premiership though Rooney is up there as well. Surprised me but Rooney has got more international goals than Torres in less appearances.

Liverpool put in a half decent performance and they're all on here forming a circle jerk over it.

I dont think Rooney is an out and out striker. He's quality, yes.

Torres is fantastic. End of.

We might have won today, i'd still back us to finish between 5th and 8th.

Get out of our club? You yank b@stards, get out of our club.

What's the difference? Rooney has got 30 this season playing up top so i think that should allow him to be considered as an out and out striker surely? Throw in that he has 25 international goals to Torres 23 in 13 less games then I think he can be definitely be considered in that manner. I'm guessing your question was meant to lead to love in by your Liverpool brethren rather than a reasoned debate?

No, it wasn't meant to be that.

I just think Rooney isn't a 100% striker, he can fill in where needs, he is a man who can play where ever and still be successfu. Torres cant, if he isn't up top, he cant play. Rooney is quality, i am in awe of him, i just think Torres (albeit have less to his game) is a better striker.

I think Barca getting Ibra was a good and bad move. Having the aerial threat that Ibra provides makes them more complete, but he isn't mobile enough and he doesn't give them what they need consistently up front. He's now slow, but he doesn't run the channels, he won't play off the shoulder and he gets involved too much in the build up. Eto'o was almost perfect for them, Villa would have been perfect but they way overspent on Ibra.

Good tekkers Torres.

Despite Ibrahimovic having all the tools, isn't it the point that he doesn't use them often enough? It's like saying Ian Harte is the best left-back in the world, because he scores goals.

Completely biased as a Red, but I'd rather have Torres over Drogba, Ibrahimovic and Rooney.

Can't believe he's scored 18 league goals having had so long out this season.

Drogba 24 league goals in 26 games. Rooney 26 in 29. Torres 18 in 21.

Can't believe he's played in so many games with the amount of whining scousers have done about him being out.

Kin hell. Should have got Ronnie Moran on as well and changed the title to The Boot Room, far too many scousers eating up license fee payers money.

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As far as I know, they were in the stands watching the game, not actually sat on the MOTD sofas.

Well the Govt can be proud to be 15 years ahead of the Manchester United supporters then.

The European places have been 'explained' by the FA....clear as mud

As a result of Manchester United's Carling Cup win, sixth place in the Premier League is now a Europa League spot.

And depending on events in the FA Cup, seventh place could also be good enough to secure European football.

But with the semi-finals not yet played and three of the teams involved in the last four also fighting at the top of the league, there are a sizeable number of different permutations.

The FA have confirmed the below:

* If the winner of the the FA Cup qualifies for the Champions League, the domestic cup runner-up qualifies for the Europa League.
* Should both the winner and the runner-up of the domestic cup qualify for the Champions League, the domestic cup Europa League place would revert to the League
* If the FA Cup winners have already qualified for the Europa League via the league, the Europa League position reserved for the domestic cup winner would revert to the League.

I dont see whats hard to understand about all that. Its clear as day :s

Don't remember saying it was hard to understand.

Just that there were lots of if's, but's and maybe's.

Bayern vs Utd tonight. Will take a draw then hopefully go through at OT. Am worried it is all set up for a Leverkusen style cock up in the semis vs Bordeaux.

Anyone know why Bordeaux are 3/1 to win at Lyon tonight? Top of the french league, unbeaten in europe and won there 1-0 in the league.

Clear as mud you said.

It is quite clear

Is it? Is there permutations? Yes! Therefore, its not clear then is it?

There is a difference between things being clear and being unable to understand as I think that's the angle you're going for? Although I'm not sure even you know?

Bayern are without Robben, aren't they? If so, that's massive for United. I don't think Bayern have much chance anyway but if they had a hope, it lay with Robben IMO.

You should overwhelm them in midfield and it's hard to see them keeping you at bay for 90 minutes.

2-1 Bayern on Agg.

Barca, Lyon and Inter through too.

Bayern- Inter final.

Basically, Chelsea will batter Villa again, Spurs will beat Pompey...as Chelsea are CL, and Spurs are as good as in the Europa at worst, then 7th looks good for a Europa spot.

Which is good as Villa are in freefall again and Everton's run-in is kind.

There are a lot of if buts and maybes left in the season, so that's going to happen. Better for them to spell it out now than later.

West Ham Crying to the FA about fulham resting players.

Karma's a bitch! I bet Sheff United are laughing so hard