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Was talking to a city fan at the BBC xmas doo. He was your average city fan 'manchester is blue' etc. When I asked him about being the worlds richest club he said: 'it doesn't matter that much, we still won't be able to buy a forward line of the quality of Berbatov, Ronaldo, Rooney.'
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Oh, and just to clear it up, he lives in that city stronghold known as Cheadle.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"Why is it so funny to say Young is better than Robinho?
I'm not saying he is, but Young is one of the prem's most productive players, he works hard and he's consistent.
Real Madrid were considering a move for Young in the summer, I think they're a major club, it wouldn't surprise me to see one or two other big clubs across Europe taking a look, but I very much doubt Villa will sell.'"
Sorry, fella. Your post lost credibility in the last paragraph. This is the Real Madrid who have Faubert in their ranks, and wanted to sign Pennant.
Young is doing well at the moment. People are judging him on what he has done for, what is essentially, a few weeks. He will never be a top international winger because he hasn't got enough tricks to beat a player. He suits a team who plays football on the break but IMO he is ineffective when the defence is set. |
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Sheddy, you lacking attention?
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If "Robbie" was so special he would have a better international goal scoring record than 19 in 59 games. I think his record is on par with Ronaldo's, a player who is played as a winger and who hasnt had the luxry of being part of a team as talented as Brazil. He's even lucky to reached 19 considering the bulk of his goals for Brazil have come in exhibition/friendly games against opponents such as Hong Kong, Canada, Kuwait and any other no mark nation that they've played over the years.
Even in this seasons games he has done f[iu[/ick all, did he even complete a pass in the 2-0 defeat to Paraguay? More worringly did he make it out of the changing rooms and onto the pitch in the goalless draws against Bolivia, Columbia and Argentina.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Sorry, fella. Your post lost credibility in the last paragraph. This is the Real Madrid who have Faubert in their ranks, and wanted to sign Pennant.
Young is doing well at the moment. People are judging him on what he has done for, what is essentially, a few weeks. He will never be a top international winger because he hasn't got enough tricks to beat a player. He suits a team who plays football on the break but IMO he is ineffective when the defence is set.'"
He was quality last year, second in the assists table behind only Fabregas IIRC.
The difference between Pennant, Faubert and Young; is that Faubert was a loan, Pennant would have been for dirt cheap but Ashley Young would have been 20m+.
Faubert is a quick fix, Pennant would have been the same, Ramos wants width and he identified Young as the player to bring that, Villa weren't willing to sell.
What do you mean, he doesn't have enough tricks? Young regularly beats his man and delivers consistently good service, not only is his crossing good, but his passing has improved vastly, MON has played him in the hole several times this season and last season.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"He was quality last year, second in the assists table behind only Fabregas IIRC.
The difference between Pennant, Faubert and Young; is that Faubert was a loan, Pennant would have been for dirt cheap but Ashley Young would have been 20m+.
Faubert is a quick fix, Pennant would have been the same, Ramos wants width and he identified Young as the player to bring that, Villa weren't willing to sell.
What do you mean, he doesn't have enough tricks? Young regularly beats his man and delivers consistently good service, not only is his crossing good, but his passing has improved vastly, MON has played him in the hole several times this season and last season.
I'd say Robinho is probably better now, and a more established player, but as Young starts to break into the England squad, and maybe even gets CL football under his belt next season, I don't see any reason why he can't surpass Robinho.'"
More clubs would come in for Young or Ribery if they wanted a left winger. Big clubs too. I think Milan were believed to want Ribery, Bayern slapped a £40m price tag on him.
More clubs would come in for Robinho if they wanted a frontman, or an off the front player.
They are kind of the reverse of each other, Young plays best as a left winger who can play off the front, as he did at Everton away and at Watford.
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| Quote ="Sheddy"If "Robbie" was so special he would have a better international goal scoring record than 19 in 59 games.'"
I think his record is on par with Ronaldo's, a player who is played as a winger and who hasnt had the luxry of being part of a team as talented as Brazil.
The worst team in South America is probably better than more than half of the teams in Europe.
How did Robbie play against Portugal a few weeks ago?
Surely one of the reasons Brazil are so good is because of Robihno. It's also harder to keep your place in the Brazil team.
Quote He's even lucky to reached 19 considering the bulk of his goals for Brazil have come in exhibition/friendly games against opponents such as Hong Kong, Canada, Kuwait and any other no mark nation that they've played over the years. '"
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Quote Even in this seasons games he has done f[iu[/ick all, did he even complete a pass in the 2-0 defeat to Paraguay? More worringly did he make it out of the changing rooms and onto the pitch in the goalless draws against Bolivia, Columbia and Argentina.'"
Best player in the Copa America
Quote Robinho is w[ia[/ink.
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So to sum up your post: Anyone not as good as Ronaldo is !"$*? That would surely mean Rooney (most overrated talent in world football and no top European clubs have ever shown an interest in him), Berbatov, Frazier Campbell ( ), Manucho ( ) and Wellbeck (icon_lol.gif ) are all !"$* |
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"You have caught me out. I am a glory hunter.
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| Quote ="JWP":2wuhojtmMore clubs would come in for Young or Ribery if they wanted a left winger. Big clubs too. I think Milan were believed to want Ribery, Bayern slapped a £40m price tag on him.'" :2wuhojtm
Did I say 'big' clubs wouldn't sign Ribery? Please provide proof
We were after Ribery too. We can afford. I don't think any other English club can
Quote :2wuhojtmMore clubs would come in for Robinho if they wanted a frontman, or an off the front player.'" :2wuhojtm
More top clubs would come in for Robihno if they needed a left-winger even though that is not his best position
Quote :2wuhojtmRobinho is a frontman, who can play left wing or as the left of a three as he has done at Man City but isn't as effective hence why City are in the bottom half of the table.'" :2wuhojtm
Something else you have got wrong. 7th if we win on Saturday.
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Not sure how they figure them out, but just looking at the top 100 in the Prem now...
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Your right, I missed the mighty Algeria off the list of countries Robinho has failed to impress against. 
Quote ="Enfield Exile"Best player in the Copa America'"
Worthless. Come back when he's got one of either the Ballon D'or, FIFPro World Player of the Year and Fifa World Player of the Year trophy.
Quote ="Enfield Exile"So to sum up your post: Anyone not as good as Ronaldo is !"$*? That would surely mean Rooney (most overrated talent in world football and no top European clubs have ever shown an interest in him), Berbatov, Frazier Campbell (
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The same Rooney who United paid millions for? Surely you're not suggesting that we are not a "top European club" considering at the time we signed him we had already won the European Cup twice and since (with Rooney in the team) have won it further once.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile":3prpdg8mDid I say 'big' clubs wouldn't sign Ribery? Please provide proof
We were after Ribery too. We can afford. I don't think any other English club can
More top clubs would come in for Robihno if they needed a left-winger even though that is not his best position
Something else you have got wrong. 7th if we win on Saturday.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile":3qn3rh9sDid I say 'big' clubs wouldn't sign Ribery? Please provide proof
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"He was quality last year, second in the assists table behind only Fabregas IIRC.'"
Where's the link to this 'assist' table?
Hang on, did Real officially declare an interest in him? Or is this paper talk?
If you asked an Italian who Ashley Ypong was, they would shrug their shoulders. He is a good player in a team who are having luck by the spade. Let's see what happens over the longer-term.
I'm sure people's views of Young are not tainited by the Ingurlund is bestest attitude. You know who they are. These are the people who think Terry is the best centre half since the last decent centre half to come out of England. Or Rooney, the best striker since Michael Owen. And Ashley Cole the best full-back in the world....ever.
Quote What do you mean, he doesn't have enough tricks? Young regularly beats his man and delivers consistently good service, not only is his crossing good, but his passing has improved vastly, MON has played him in the hole several times this season and last season.'"
He doesn't have enough tricks. He will do nothing against decent European teams or at international level until his skill level and technique improves. If he doesn't have those abilities now, I doubt that he will ever develop them. Shame.
He has no tricks. Top class wingers have several tricks. Young is limited.
Quote I'd say Robinho is probably better now, and a more established player, but as Young starts to break into the England squad, and maybe even gets CL football under his belt next season, I don't see any reason why he can't surpass Robinho.'"
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I don't know what the games:goals is but Robbie is more than 1 in 2.
How many assists does Anelka have?
How many winning goals has he scored?
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| Quote ="Sheddy"Your right, I missed the mighty Algeria off the list of countries Robinho has failed to impress against.
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Maybe he saves himself for the big games.....unlike Ronaldo
Quote Worthless. Come back when he's got one of either the Ballon D'or, FIFPro World Player of the Year and Fifa World Player of the Year trophy.
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Sun JiHai, if I remember correctly won China player of the year. More people in China than Europe.
Out of interest, how many times has a player from the biggest team in the world won this award, despite the billions they have spent over the years?
Quote The same Rooney who United paid millions for? Surely you're not suggesting that we are not a "top European club" considering at the time we signed him we had already won the European Cup twice and since (with Rooney in the team) have won it further once.
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I should have made myself clearer. I meant after he has joined United. Top players attract the interest of the top clubs. No top team have shown an interest in him. I had high hopes of him but he has disappointed.
Quote PS - how many top European clubs were after "Robbie"? Non, that's why he ended up at your gaff.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"I don't know what the games:goals is but Robbie is more than 1 in 2.
How many assists does Anelka have?
How many winning goals has he scored?
You're a Cheslea fan?
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No, a football fan who loosely pledges his allegiance to Chelsea. I wouldn't class myself as a 'Fan'.
I'm not sure how many assists, but on that thing above about three posts up, he's rated as the biggest contributor in the Premiership. Obviously, it must be weighted towards goals, but your fella, "Robbie", is top five in the Goalscoring charts but way down in the ratings like. |
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You're in a discussion with EE. You have just admitted you are a glory hunter. Suicide.'"
I'm no glory supporter ace. You don't get me bigging Chelsea up when things are great, nor hiding when they are bad.
I love football, I love everything that comes with football, including these debates. I just don't feel 'passionate' enough about Chelsea to call myself a Chelsea Fan.
Who do I watch the most growing up ? Chelsea. I was taken to games at OT, Anfield etc, I just always felt alligned to Chelsea. I wouldn't argue about them though, effectively if your a fanm you'll argue to the death for your side, I wouldn't, I just liked Kerry Dixon when I was eight, that's all. |
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"I should have made myself clearer. I meant after he has joined United. Top players attract the interest of the top clubs. No top team have shown an interest in him. I had high hopes of him but he has disappointed.'"
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Quote ="Enfield Exile"Where's the link to this 'assist' table?
Hang on, did Real officially declare an interest in him? Or is this paper talk?
If you asked an Italian who Ashley Ypong was, they would shrug their shoulders. He is a good player in a team who are having luck by the spade. Let's see what happens over the longer-term.
I'm sure people's views of Young are not tainited by the Ingurlund is bestest attitude. You know who they are. These are the people who think Terry is the best centre half since the last decent centre half to come out of England. Or Rooney, the best striker since Michael Owen. And Ashley Cole the best full-back in the world....ever.
He doesn't have enough tricks. He will do nothing against decent European teams or at international level until his skill level and technique improves. If he doesn't have those abilities now, I doubt that he will ever develop them. Shame.
He has no tricks. Top class wingers have several tricks. Young is limited.
More experience? Robbie is only about a year or two older and has only been in teh contry for 5 months!'"
www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics
Go on that, select '07/08' season, then click down to assists, Young got 17 last year, only 2 behind Fabregas.
The rumours of Young to Madrid were in the media, but, depending on if you believe him or not, Guillem Balague actually confirmed this interest and so on, I usually believe his stuff on rumours, so I feel it was pretty much solid interest.
So just because an Italian might not know who Young is, makes him less of a player? 
I bet most people in England don't know who Sebastian Giovinco is, but I bet you most Italians will tell you how good he is.
I don't tint my specs with all this England crap, I don't really watch England and I don't really rate many of our players, Terry is far from the best centre half in the world, and Cole isn't the best full back in the world, I don't base my opinion on player nationalities.
How doesn't he have enough tricks? He consistently beats his man and provides quality service with great technique, Young is nearly a complete player, he just lacks the experience at the highest level, something Robinho gained at Madrid, and something Young could gain next year with Villa.
I don't know why you think so lowly of Young's skill level, he's quick, double footed, can cross and shoot with either foot, his dribbling's good and he's exceptional at beating his man, he might not be as evasive or have the step overs of Robinho, but as Young has shown this season and last, he can be just as effective. |
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Hang on, did Real officially declare an interest in him? Or is this paper talk?
If you asked an Italian who Ashley Ypong was, they would shrug their shoulders. He is a good player in a team who are having luck by the spade. Let's see what happens over the longer-term.
I'm sure people's views of Young are not tainited by the Ingurlund is bestest attitude. You know who they are. These are the people who think Terry is the best centre half since the last decent centre half to come out of England. Or Rooney, the best striker since Michael Owen. And Ashley Cole the best full-back in the world....ever.
He doesn't have enough tricks. He will do nothing against decent European teams or at international level until his skill level and technique improves. If he doesn't have those abilities now, I doubt that he will ever develop them. Shame.
He has no tricks. Top class wingers have several tricks. Young is limited.
More experience? Robbie is only about a year or two older and has only been in teh contry for 5 months!'"
www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics
Go on that, select '07/08' season, then click down to assists, Young got 17 last year, only 2 behind Fabregas.
The rumours of Young to Madrid were in the media, but, depending on if you believe him or not, Guillem Balague actually confirmed this interest and so on, I usually believe his stuff on rumours, so I feel it was pretty much solid interest.
So just because an Italian might not know who Young is, makes him less of a player?
I bet most people in England don't know who Sebastian Giovinco is, but I bet you most Italians will tell you how good he is.
I don't tint my specs with all this England crap, I don't really watch England and I don't really rate many of our players, Terry is far from the best centre half in the world, and Cole isn't the best full back in the world, I don't base my opinion on player nationalities.
How doesn't he have enough tricks? He consistently beats his man and provides quality service with great technique, Young is nearly a complete player, he just lacks the experience at the highest level, something Robinho gained at Madrid, and something Young could gain next year with Villa.
I don't know why you think so lowly of Young's skill level, he's quick, double footed, can cross and shoot with either foot, his dribbling's good and he's exceptional at beating his man, he might not be as evasive or have the step overs of Robinho, but as Young has shown this season and last, he can be just as effective. | |
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Go on that, select '07/08' season, then click down to assists, Young got 17 last year, only 2 behind Fabregas.
The rumours of Young to Madrid were in the media, but, depending on if you believe him or not, Guillem Balague actually confirmed this interest and so on, I usually believe his stuff on rumours, so I feel it was pretty much solid interest.
So just because an Italian might not know who Young is, makes him less of a player?
I bet most people in England don't know who Sebastian Giovinco is, but I bet you most Italians will tell you how good he is.
I don't tint my specs with all this England crap, I don't really watch England and I don't really rate many of our players, Terry is far from the best centre half in the world, and Cole isn't the best full back in the world, I don't base my opinion on player nationalities.
How doesn't he have enough tricks? He consistently beats his man and provides quality service with great technique, Young is nearly a complete player, he just lacks the experience at the highest level, something Robinho gained at Madrid, and something Young could gain next year with Villa.
I don't know why you think so lowly of Young's skill level, he's quick, double footed, can cross and shoot with either foot, his dribbling's good and he's exceptional at beating his man, he might not be as evasive or have the step overs of Robinho, but as Young has shown this season and last, he can be just as effective.'"
Yes you do, because he's an Aston Villa player and not a Manchester City player. (Oh, and because he's yet to prove himself in La Liga, like Ronaldo who's swept the board with personal accolades but this is discounted until he tricks a few left backs at Sporting Gijon & Getafe.) |
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