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| Is there no end to the stupidity and stubborness of Liverpool? Months after the owners forced some common sense and class back into the club's behaviour by making them climb down, Daniel Pacheco goes and lights the fire again. Totally unecessary and very silly.
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| Russia, Holland, France and Spain to win their groups. Huntelaar and Muller e/w top scorer.
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| Quote ="Asim"Be fair, he's just trying to get a highly paid punditry role on the Beeb.'"
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| Quote ="Asim"The highly-paid (from public money) BBC pundits are full of their usual top quality insight in their [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18091750tournament preview[/url.
£40K a week Alan Hansen tips three teams from the same group to make the semis, and Alan Shearer tips England to make the semis because he wants them to.'"
Most of the comments on England are a joke...... Tough group ??? Thank god were not in group b or c !!!! It would be a disgrace to not get in the quarters. From there anything can and will happen.
Can't see past a german win with Gomez top scorer, dark horses gotta be Russia could even see them winning a shock 1/4 final
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| Quote ="Asim"Be fair, he's just trying to get a highly paid punditry role on the Beeb.'"
Fair point. I'm going to stop doing research too and see if I can get myself a gig.
Czechoslovakia have a good record in the Euros so I'm going with them, but I do like the look of Yugoslavia and West Germany.
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| Quote ="John_D"Czechoslovakia have a good record in the Euros so I'm going with them, but I do like the look of Yugoslavia and West Germany.'"
All will be dangerous but the Soviet Union will be tough to beat on home soil.
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| Quote ="John_D"Fair point. I'm going to stop doing research too and see if I can get myself a gig.
Czechoslovakia have a good record in the Euros so I'm going with them, but I do like the look of Yugoslavia and West Germany.'"
You do remember East Germany beat West last time
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| Quote ="Asim"I don't mind anyone's opinion, but if they can't justify it then it becomes worthless and easily treated with disdain. Did he have reasons?
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He thinks Portugal are the dark horses (expects them to be losing finalists, rates Ronaldo & Nani). Other than that he's come up with a series of match predictions that are all entirely plausible but just happen to lead to Germany being elimated, without making any criticisms of the Germans:
Holland 2 Denmark 0
Germany 0 Portugal 1
Denmark 0 Portugal 2
Holland 2 Germany 2
Portugal 1 Holland 1
Denmark 1 Germany 2
In England's group he predicts:
France 0 England 0
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Ukraine 1 France 1
Sweden 1 England 3
Sweden 0 France 1
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France going out on goal difference.
He's also predicting England and Russia to beat Croatia and Holland on pens before losing to Spain & Portugal in the SF.
He doesnt predict this week's lottery results
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| Quote ="Cibaman"He thinks Portugal are the dark horses (expects them to be losing finalists, rates Ronaldo & Nani). Other than that he's come up with a series of match predictions that are all entirely plausible but just happen to lead to Germany being elimated, without making any criticisms of the Germans:
Holland 2 Denmark 0
Germany 0 Portugal 1
Denmark 0 Portugal 2
Holland 2 Germany 2
Portugal 1 Holland 1
Denmark 1 Germany 2
In England's group he predicts:
France 0 England 0
Ukraine 2 Sweden 0
Ukraine 1 France 1
Sweden 1 England 3
Sweden 0 France 1
England 1 Ukraine 1
France going out on goal difference.
He's also predicting England and Russia to beat Croatia and Holland on pens before losing to Spain & Portugal in the SF.
He doesnt predict this week's lottery results'"
Ah, I have vague recollections of him similarly predicting every result in the last world cup too, seems to be taking the whole prediction thing a bit far IMO.
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| Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"I've got Torres at 18/1 and Podolski at 25/1 for top goalscorer. Torres, if he starts, should get plenty of chances in that group and looks fresher than most of the squad, and Podolski ALWAYS scores a few goals in tournaments so should carry that record on. I will have jinxed the pair of them now though so steer well clear!'"
I've gone with Llorente, so obvs hoping he starts ahead of FT.
Benzema is in fine form, maybe I should have gone for him instead.
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| Quote ="Cas Till I Die" Tough group ??? Thank god were not in group b or c !!!! It would be a disgrace to not get in the quarters. From there anything can and will happen.
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This England side will have done fantastically if they reach the quarters.....If I was a bookie, I'd be laying France as red-hot favourites to win the group, with Ukraine a clear second favourite - England and Sweden would be outsiders.
Without making excuses for them, this side was already one which was up against it, but to lose the players they have in the past couple of weeks will have disrupted them badly.
I'll be surprised if we get a single win from our 3 games....Anything more than a couple of draws will be a decent campaign, though I doubt our media and the usual knee-jerkers will allow that sort of outcome to just slip away without one or two 'Hodgson Out' calls.
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| Just looked at the top scorer odds....Surely Van Persie at 10/1 is a bit of a steal??
Only the difficult group they are in gives me a little doubt, but if they make it out of that group then he's got to be the man to be on?
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| Quote ="Wnidyone2012"Russia is a good e/w shout.'"
Got them at 20/1
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| Quote ="Ajw71"I've gone with Llorente, so obvs hoping he starts ahead of FT. '"
I'd be surprised if he did, but then I couldn't see a way that Spain would travel without Bobby Soldiers so what the chuff do I know..?
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| Bayern Munich highest scoring club 5/2 with Ladbrokes. In the German squad they have golden boot favourite Gomez, the World Cup golden boot winner Muller as well as Schweinsteiger, and Kroos. France have Ribery, while Holland have Robben and these are 3 of the teams I would expect to see in the semi finals.
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| I've gone with Benzema to be top scorer, I think Germany (Gomez, Klose, Podolski, Muller) and Holland (Sneijder, Robben, RVP, Huntelaar) will share the goals around more than France will and I don't think Spain will score that many, so of my predicted four semi-finalists he seems to be the best bet.
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| Have a funny feeling the top scorer will be a midfielder this year. Sneijder to have another outstanding international tournament and get himself another big move?
I need to read up a little on some of the big nations. Are Portugal using CR7 centrally or on the left/right? If he's on the left or in the middle, I'd have him as favourite, even if Portugal usually flop like England at the tournament. Will Gotze be fit for Germany? Even if he is, will he play over Podolski/Ozil?
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| The reaction to Dani Pacheco is pathetic and the epitome of arrogance. He used a word, to a friend, that he's offered very fair explanation for, and clearly Johnson isn't offended by it, yet people want to say he's racist and that there's a 'race row'. IMO, it's this kind of stuff that will soon force footballers away from Twitter, which is a shame as fans cried for years about their lack of 'access' to the players.
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| Preciado dies of heart attack
[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2155743/Manolo-Preciado-dies-heart-attack-Villarreal-unveiling.htmllink[/url
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| Awful news here as it's been announced that Manuel Preciado has died of a heart attack at the age of 54. A true character and a reminder how you can be as passionate about the game as the man in the street at the same time as being a top flight manager. The way he verbally tore Mourinho a new one last season was something that will live long in the memory and I imagine many Spanish soccer journalists will be lamenting the loss of a man who always gave an honest answer and never hid behind his players or chairman.
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| Quote ="Roddy B"Have a funny feeling the top scorer will be a midfielder this year. Sneijder to have another outstanding international tournament and get himself another big move?
I need to read up a little on some of the big nations. Are Portugal using CR7 centrally or on the left/right? If he's on the left or in the middle, I'd have him as favourite, even if Portugal usually flop like England at the tournament. Will Gotze be fit for Germany? Even if he is, will he play over Podolski/Ozil?'"
Do you reckon Marco Reus will start most games for the Germans? Could be an interesting punt for top goalscorer given the form he's been in this year.
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| Quote ="Roddy B"The reaction to Dani Pacheco is pathetic and the epitome of arrogance. He used a word, to a friend, that he's offered very fair explanation for, and clearly Johnson isn't offended by it, yet people want to say he's racist and that there's a 'race row'. IMO, it's this kind of stuff that will soon force footballers away from Twitter, which is a shame as fans cried for years about their lack of 'access' to the players.'"
The thing is, in the culture we live in nowadays, people with nothing to do with a situation get offended on behalf of other people, which turns a molehill into a mountain.
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| Quote ="Roddy B"The reaction to Dani Pacheco is pathetic and the epitome of arrogance. He used a word, to a friend, that he's offered very fair explanation for, and clearly Johnson isn't offended by it, yet people want to say he's racist and that there's a 'race row'. IMO, it's this kind of stuff that will soon force footballers away from Twitter, which is a shame as fans cried for years about their lack of 'access' to the players.'"
I dont think for a moment that he's racist. But I did wonder why he chose to use the phrase publicly after all of the fallout from the Suarez affair. Still trying to keep that incident, and the defense of Suarez, alive?
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"This England side will have done fantastically if they reach the quarters.....If I was a bookie, I'd be laying France as red-hot favourites to win the group, with Ukraine a clear second favourite - England and Sweden would be outsiders.
Without making excuses for them, this side was already one which was up against it, but to lose the players they have in the past couple of weeks will have disrupted them badly.
I'll be surprised if we get a single win from our 3 games....Anything more than a couple of draws will be a decent campaign, though I doubt our media and the usual knee-jerkers will allow that sort of outcome to just slip away without one or two 'Hodgson Out' calls.'"
Fair enough if you think France will win the group however iv seen pub teams look better on paper than ukraine Shevchenko and voronin... Sweden aren't much better. As Harry redknapp said we are very good at underestimating our own team in this country. With the quality in our squad to not qualify would be a disgrace !!!!
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| Quote ="Roddy B"Are Portugal using CR7 centrally or on the left/right? If he's on the left or in the middle, I'd have him as favourite, even if Portugal usually flop like England at the tournament./quote
When I went to Portugal v Norway about a year ago Ronaldo nominally played on the left of a front 3 with Postiga in the centre and Nani from the right. He actually wandered about all over the place though and, IMO, caused Portugal more harm in their attacking play by doing so.
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