Aye I wonder if Ralph Wilson is still trying to sell them before he crokes it, it may take a while to sell going by the amount of time it took to get them to get a coach to take the job

Shock -Horror Tom Brady wont play in the Popularity(pro) bowl www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=090 ... nfirm=true It was a joke when it was in Hawaii so why do they think its going to be any different now? Imagine how many will pull out when the Pro Bowl is in Indy and Dallas before the SBs

Shock -Horror Tom Brady wont play in the Popularity(pro) bowl www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=090 ... nfirm=true It was a joke when it was in Hawaii so why do they think its going to be any different now? Imagine how many will pull out when the Pro Bowl is in Indy and Dallas before the SBs

Quote ="LFCRhino"Shock -Horror Tom Brady wont play in the Popularity(pro) bowl www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=090 ... nfirm=true It was a joke when it was in Hawaii so why do they think its going to be any different now? Imagine how many will pull out when the Pro Bowl is in Indy and Dallas before the SBs '" Brady shouldn't have been in ahead of Schaub anyway. Schaub > Brady. I'm sure Bellicheat would be voting on his computer a number of times. I can see why they've put it before but it is a stupid idea. Logically the best team will have the most players and the best team should make the SB. None of those players will play. So it's even more ridiculous than prior. If the Vikes make the SB then that is 10 NFC pro-bowlers who will drop out.

Quote ="LFCRhino"Shock -Horror Tom Brady wont play in the Popularity(pro) bowl www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=090 ... nfirm=true It was a joke when it was in Hawaii so why do they think its going to be any different now? Imagine how many will pull out when the Pro Bowl is in Indy and Dallas before the SBs '" Brady shouldn't have been in ahead of Schaub anyway. Schaub > Brady. I'm sure Bellicheat would be voting on his computer a number of times. I can see why they've put it before but it is a stupid idea. Logically the best team will have the most players and the best team should make the SB. None of those players will play. So it's even more ridiculous than prior. If the Vikes make the SB then that is 10 NFC pro-bowlers who will drop out.

Wonder how long that Chargers fan spent on that sign



Suppose after 41-0 and Super Bowl 3, the Colts owe the Jets a few.

You will, since when are conference championships easy games?

Its a popularity contest it doesnt mean anything it has nothing at all with who is the best even though its supposed to! Its just people voting for their teams players! HTH



Youre ever present bitterness to New England is duly noted as always



Schaub better than Brady

GUFFAW How many play-off games has Schaub won?, no scratch that how many has he played in?

Hes good but good just doesnt cut it in the NFL

So being the league leader in passing yards isn't good enough any more?





Youre ever present bitterness to New England is duly noted as always



Schaub better than Brady

GUFFAW How many play-off games has Schaub won?, no scratch that how many has he played in?

Hes good but good just doesnt cut it in the NFL'"

It one thing doing it once if he can consistently do it and lead his team to the playoffs then he will become a better QB.
Its all about reaching the playoffs just look at Drew Brees he had two amazing years statistically in the last few but missed the playoffs twice so it was all for nothing IMO, he will look back at the end of his career and be proud but Im sure he would have swapped it for another chance in the playoffs.



Exactly the way I see it

He could do that every year and never make the playoffs though! Which would you rather have? He should turn out into a great QB and is already showing signs this year but its doing it year in year out that make you a top QB IMHO.

He had 372 yards more than Brady
1 more TD
2 more INT`s

Not really much considering Brady had injured Ribs and fingers on his throwing hand for half the season and according to some(incuding people who are "experts" at the nfl network) hes past it





Not bad for an old man eh

Sooooooo....a player who has one really good season and didn't lead his team to the playoffs is better than a player who has three superbowl rings, the single season record for passing touchdowns, and led his team to a perfect record in the regular season? I'll assume you're quite new to the game. I like the Packers chances for next year, they will probably go tackle in the draft but the running back from cal Jahvid Best is quite good and may drop to them, I think he'd be too good to miss.

Given that the Pro Bowl selections are based on performances in that season, what Brady achieved in 2008 or any other year is a complete irrelevance.

I assume you must be fairly new to the sport?

You'll learn mate that ST CONROY has an hatred for anything Patriots and it often clouds his judgement whan posting about them.

Im fully aware of that. but that reason wasn't specified in the original post. Even basing it on last season most people would take Brady anyhow. Brady achieved very little in 2008 as his knee blown out. I assume you're very new.

Do you really believe that?



Popularity contest for peoples favourites . End of

Schaub is a good QB but better than Brady?

Don't be silly.

The aim is to win a ring, not to be a statistical leader. Brady has won 3 and took his team closer than Schaub this year.

Although the Vikings are playing awesome at the moment, I can't see them making Super Bowl. Gonna be Colts V Saints IMO.

Eagles are playing in England this year!!!

Schaub has been infinitely better than Brady this years. The pro bowl is for this season, why would i be making any other assertion. A number of players have had better years than Brady but he is undoubtedly one of the best QB's of all time, as much as i hate him and the Cheatriots.





No, i'm not new thank you.

We are almost definately going to go tackle first round, either Bulaga or the guy from USC (forgot his name). I don't rate Best, i'd rather take Spiller from Clemson in round 1 or wait until 2 or 3 and take Toby Gerhart (my favourite RB in the class, although not the best). Personally i'd go after a RB in FA. Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood i think possibly were/are FA's.

In what respect? Leading his team to the playoffs? Must've missed that.

When it comes to QBs far too much reliance is placed upon stats.

Correct. As somebody has previously pointed out, Schaubs stats are only marginally better.

Looking at the stats there's been far more "easy" wins in both Conference games than close games judging by the scorelines alone - results since 1988-89.

1988/89
Cincinnatti 21 Buffalo 10
49ers 28 Bears 3
1989/90
Broncos 37 Browns 21
49ers 30 Rams 3
1990/91
Bills 51 Raiders 3
Giants 15 49ers 13
1991/92
Bills 10 Broncos 3
Redskins 41 Lions 10


1992/93
Bills 29 Dolphins 10
Cowboys 30 49ers 20
1993/94
Bills 30 Chiefs 13
Cowboys 38 49ers 21
1994/95
Chargers 17 Steelers 13
49ers 38 Cowboys 28
1995/96
Steelers 20 Colts 16
Cowboys 38 Packers 27
1996/97
Patriots 20 Jaguars 6
Packers 30 Panthers 13
1997/98
Broncos 24 Steelers 21
Packers 23 49ers 10
1998/99
Broncos 23 Jets 10
Falcons 30 Vikings 27 (OT)
1999/2000
Titans 33 Jaguars 14
Rams 11 Buccaneers 6
2000/01
Baltimore 16 Raiders 3
Giants 41 Vikings 0
2001/02
Patriots 24 Steelers 17
Rams 29 Eagles 24
2002/03
Raiders 41 Titans 24
Buccanners 27 Eagles 10
2003/04
Patriots 24 Colts 14
Panthers 14 Eagles 3
2004/05
Patriots 41 Steelers 27
Eagles 27 Falcons 10
2005/06
Steelers 34 Broncos 17
Seahawks 34 Panthers 14
2006/07
Colts 38 Patriots 34
Bears 39 Saints 14
2007/08
Patriots 21 Chargers 12
Giants 23 Packers 20 (OT)
2008/09
Steelers 23 Ravens 14
Cardinals 32 Eagles 25

So, only 12 out of the last 42 conference games have been settled by one score or less and the last time that both games were close was back in 2001/02.

In respect of my opinion, based on what i've seen this year.

Brady has not been as good this year as previous (due to the injury?), and Schaub has cut out a number of his mistakes which cost them in previous years.

Schaub lost his second best weapon half way through the year in Owen Daniels and still managed to lead the league in passing yards whereas Brady lost his second best weapon in Welker and looked poor in the playoff game.

I just think he has performed better than Brady this year and should be in the play-offs if the Jets didn't have the benefit of two teams lying down for them in the last two weeks. (I think if the Jets get beaten in one of those then the Texans are in). Thats not to detract from what the Jets have done once they have made it.

OR, there is something about Jets/Chargers at the Q that brings out some pretty stupid signs!



That one on your avatar is a cracker!

This year was Bradys second best yards total in a season !
He tied for his second best TD total in his career!
It was Bradys second best pass completion percentage of his career !
It was Bradys second best QB rating of his career!
(all second to one of the best QB performances EVER in 07!!!)

He was injured in 08 and had the best year of his and maybe any QBs career in 07 and yet you still think he has not had as good of a year as previous



Try doing some research before making outrageous statements and making a fool of yourself next time !!!



Schaub is a good QB and will only improve with time but better than Brady your `avin a larf aint ya

As i said, i'm basing it on what i've seen not stats. Or are stats good enough to go against arguments I present but I can't use them to defend or present my arguments?

I've said Brady wasn't as good as previously, and you yourself have admitted thats true. I'm not saying Brady is terrible or was terrible this year, what was IMO an average year or at least not a spectacular Brady year is still better than probably all but 6 or 7 QB's based on this year alone.

Schaub has been one of those who has been better IMO.