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| Quote ="Wire_85"Question for the Man U fans who's worst at dealing with Torres is it Vidic or Rio?'"
From a 'neural' point of view..I'd say Vidic...
Does it not frustrate you how much/ easily Torres goes down? He has got that Drogba element...we all know how good Torres is on his feet so why he feels the need to go down so often baffles me..gives the defenders an easy ride when he does that..not so easy when he stays on his feet.
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| Quote ="Danny 2"has to be vidic doesnt it
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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"From a 'neural' point of view..I'd say Vidic...
Does it not frustrate you how much/ easily Torres goes down? He has got that Drogba element...we all know how good Torres is on his feet so why he feels the need to go down so often baffles me..gives the defenders an easy ride when he does that..not so easy when he stays on his feet.'"
Thats whats football has become they feel a touch an they go down they all do it I wish he didnt as he can hold most defenders off hes that strong.
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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"Does it not frustrate you how much/ easily Torres goes down? He has got that Drogba element...we all know how good Torres is on his feet so why he feels the need to go down so often baffles me..gives the defenders an easy ride when he does that..not so easy when he stays on his feet.'"
I thought it was ridiculous that the scousers whined about Drogba after the Chelsea-Liverpool game when Torres was throwing himself to the floor all game winning free kicks.
I think you're wrong when you say he makes it easy on defenders by going down. If he's winning the race for the ball then he'll stay on his feet. If he's losing the race he'll be going down and getting the free kick.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"I thought it was ridiculous that the scousers whined about Drogba after the Chelsea-Liverpool game when Torres was throwing himself to the floor all game winning free kicks.
I think you're wrong when you say he makes it easy on defenders by going down. If he's winning the race for the ball then he'll stay on his feet. If he's losing the race he'll be going down and getting the free kick.'"
Its the way Drogba does it though even his own captain is embarrassed by the way he acts.
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| I don't think that Torres had a particularly good game and until his goal he hadn't caused any real distress to Nited's defence yet Redknapp asserted afterwards that he'd "terrorised" them which is utter balls....it's the sign of a top player/forward that he gets one chance and sticks it away though so fair do's to him for that.
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| Thing I don't like about Drogba is the aftermath of the dive. The rolling around until play is stopped, then suddenly he becomes the incredible hulk only moments later.
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| Quote ="OrdsallRed"I don't think that Torres had a particularly good game and until his goal he hadn't caused any real distress to Nited's defence yet Redknapp asserted afterwards that he'd "terrorised" them which is utter balls....it's the sign of a top player/forward that he gets one chance and sticks it away though so fair do's to him for that.'"
Spot on.
Vidic looks proper dodgy at the moment. Even with harmless balls forward he still seems hesitant. Time for Evans to get a few games I think.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"Thing I don't like about Drogba is the aftermath of the dive. The rolling around until play is stopped, then suddenly he becomes the incredible hulk only moments later.'"
Welcome to football.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Welcome to football.'"
Torres 'played the game', went down at the slightest touch a few times when there was nothing on, thus winning free kicks, came alive when the chance was there, and made rio look a mug, albeit down Vidic's channel.
Mariner wasn't biased, just weak, it was a 'homer' ref performance, the crowd (quite rightly) played their part.
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| Quote ="Karlos13"Spot on.
Vidic looks proper dodgy at the moment. Even with harmless balls forward he still seems hesitant. Time for Evans to get a few games I think.'"
Both centre backs look dodgy. I actually thought Vidic had a decent game, probably his best of the season. He cleared just about everything that came near him. On another day, in another ground he probably wouldn't have got his first yellow. I thought he dealt with the threat pretty easily.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"[iThree in a row three in a row[/i'"
You keep taking the 3 points and we'll keep taking the titles
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| Quote ="Danny 2"has to be vidic doesnt it
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I don't think so.
His red cards haven't come against Torres. Apart from Torres' goal at OT last season, Vidic hasn't had major problems against him, even then the goal didn't come from a threat from Torres as such, just Vidic's misreading of the high ball.
I felt Ferdinand could've been a bit stronger against Torres, and VDS should've covered his near post, either way, that takes everything away from the great ball that was put through for Torres. Superb pass.
Quote ="Danny 2"somebody needs to tell vidic a game against liverpool lasts 90 mins not 80 or 87
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His willy shrinks versus Liverpool, so he likes to get an early bath before the rest of the team laugh at him.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"[iThree in a row three in a row[/i'"
One in a row would be nice for you ATM wouldn't it.
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| Quote ="Danny 2"has to be vidic doesnt it
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Macherano is starting a habit of being sent off against United now as well, hastn he been sent off 2 in 4 against United.
Liverpool beat us twice last year anyway and made not a differance to the destination of the title, no harm done, just a minor blip.
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| Quote ="faxtastic"srill think Scholes can hack those games. the liverpool midfeild were obviously under strict instructions to close the mifeild pair down quickly something they did very well.
Anderson hasnt got the experiance yet and tends to try to do to much and play the miricle ball.'"
Scholes is not fast enough to compete in games against sides like Liverpool or Chelsea. That was made clear yesterday, Lucas owned him, which is frankly, embarrassing.
An attempted miracle ball is what we needed, Anderson has a spark about him, he'd have attempted to get a through ball for Rooney or Berbatov instead passing it sideways. I know he aint the best finisher in the world, but he would have had some shots and at least made Reina make a save. He's been class lately, he should've been given an opportunity.
Quote ="faxtastic"Liverpool beat us twice last year anyway and made not a differance to the destination of the title, no harm done, just a minor blip'"
No harm done! Are you joking?
Obviously winning the title is the most important thing, but two other things you want to happen in a season is to beat City and to beat the Scousers. Losing to them three times in a row is awful and gutting. The worst thing is that we don't even play well against them or show any gut and determination.
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| Quote ="Nemanja"Scholes is not fast enough to compete in games against sides like Liverpool or Chelsea. That was made clear yesterday, Lucas owned him, which is frankly, embarrassing.
An attempted miracle ball is what we needed, Anderson has a spark about him, he'd have attempted to get a through ball for Rooney or Berbatov instead passing it sideways. I know he aint the best finisher in the world, but he would have had some shots and at least made Reina make a save. He's been class lately, he should've been given an opportunity.
No harm done! Are you joking?
Obviously winning the title is the most important thing, but two other things you want to happen in a season is to beat City and to beat the Scousers. Losing to them three times in a row is awful and gutting. The worst thing is that we don't even play well against them or show any gut and determination.'"
yes losing to Liverpool is an issue but the main issue is the league and as long as we win that then i couldnt really crae who we lose to, we have the last laugh cause we win the league, theres a long way to go and the premier league title can go to maybe 4 or maybe 5 places but if we win the league then i wouldnt be bothered if we lost to Liverpool.
i dont like losing to liverpool especially having a liverpool fan for a sister but i have hag gloating when they beat us last year twice but we won the league so i had the last laugh.
Scholes never had the chance to play, Lucas and Macherano didnt give Scholes or Carrick the room to play and Anderson wouldnt have been able to have dealt with them closing dow quickly either.
i still think that Scholes and Giggs are still the best we have in midfeild they might be 35 but Nani isnt in the same league as Giggs and Scholes is still one of the most accurate passes of the ball in the league.
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| Quote ="faxtastic"yes losing to Liverpool is an issue but the main issue is the league and as long as we win that then i couldnt really crae who we lose to, we have the last laugh cause we win the league, theres a long way to go and the premier league title can go to maybe 4 or maybe 5 places but if we win the league then i wouldnt be bothered if we lost to Liverpool.'"
I've never known a United fan to be not bothered when we've lost to them lot. Beating them is a big priority in the season.
Quote ="faxtastic"Scholes never had the chance to play, Lucas and Macherano didnt give Scholes or Carrick the room to play and Anderson wouldnt have been able to have dealt with them closing dow quickly either.'"
Carrick was our best player, he was able to ship the ball around. The fact that Scholes couldn't get into the game is a sign that he aint quick enough for the big games, Anderson is a lot faster than both Carrick and Scholes, so would've been able to get the ball down, and get it shipped out, or get a through ball into the forwards before Lucas could get to him. Anderson would've also helped keep Benayoun quiet.
Quote ="faxtastic"i still think that Scholes and Giggs are still the best we have in midfeild they might be 35 but Nani isnt in the same league as Giggs and Scholes is still one of the most accurate passes of the ball in the league.'"
Giggs has had a good season, there's no doubt about that, but yesterday he was anonymous. He cannot play in the same side as Scholes. Scholes may well be a good passer of the ball, but he can only do that when he is given the time, and he can't get that against the top sides. Sadly, his best days are behind him. Giggs still has a lot to offer, but he cannot play every game. Nani hasn't done too badly this season, just some of his decision making at times has been wrong, but that will only improve over time.
If we were to name our strongest line up at the moment, Scholes would not be in it.
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| Quote ="Nemanja"I've never known a United fan to be not bothered when we've lost to them lot. Beating them is a big priority in the season.
winning the league though is the only thing i care about other people might care about losing to Liverpool and i was angry that we had lost but winning the league is the only thing i care about really. they are big rivals but whats the point in them beating us if it doesnt lead to anything like last season.
Carrick was our best player, he was able to ship the ball around. The fact that Scholes couldn't get into the game is a sign that he aint quick enough for the big games, Anderson is a lot faster than both Carrick and Scholes, so would've been able to get the ball down, and get it shipped out, or get a through ball into the forwards before Lucas could get to him. Anderson would've also helped keep Benayoun quiet.
Maybe your right Scholes maybe can'r play at that big level anymore in the big games maybe he can maybe he just had a bad day.
Anderson for me and his decision making is in question for me maybe that will improve, i can't see him better than Scholes though.
Giggs has had a good season, there's no doubt about that, but yesterday he was anonymous. He cannot play in the same side as Scholes. Scholes may well be a good passer of the ball, but he can only do that when he is given the time, and he can't get that against the top sides. Sadly, his best days are behind him. Giggs still has a lot to offer, but he cannot play every game. Nani hasn't done too badly this season, just some of his decision making at times has been wrong, but that will only improve over time.
theres no doubt Scholes and Giggs cant play every game maybe Fergie thought we needed the experiance in the big game and it didnt pay off the way he thought it would.
i really don't like Nani he is like Ronaldo was when he arrived greedy and tries to take to many on, Ronaldo developed his game and had the skill to do it.
Nani hasnt changed since he arrived he rates himself to highly and isnt nearlly as good as he thinks he is, he always loses the ball trying to take 5 players on.
the sooner we get him shipped out the better for me.
If we were to name our strongest line up at the moment, Scholes would not be in it.'"
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"Where's the little Serb on the left disappeared to?'"
He got in the Premier League Team of the Year on the FIFA season I've just finished, and that was after only 4 sub appearances.
It doesn't look like his is going to play against Barnsley tomorrow night either, Fergie has said that Obertan is ready to make his senior debut on the left.
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| Quote ="Nemanja"I've never known a United fan to be not bothered when we've lost to them lot. Beating them is a big priority in the season.
Carrick was our best player, he was able to ship the ball around. The fact that Scholes couldn't get into the game is a sign that he aint quick enough for the big games, Anderson is a lot faster than both Carrick and Scholes, so would've been able to get the ball down, and get it shipped out, or get a through ball into the forwards before Lucas could get to him. Anderson would've also helped keep Benayoun quiet.
Giggs has had a good season, there's no doubt about that, but yesterday he was anonymous. He cannot play in the same side as Scholes. Scholes may well be a good passer of the ball, but he can only do that when he is given the time, and he can't get that against the top sides. Sadly, his best days are behind him. Giggs still has a lot to offer, but he cannot play every game. Nani hasn't done too badly this season, just some of his decision making at times has been wrong, but that will only improve over time.
If we were to name our strongest line up at the moment, Scholes would not be in it.'"
as long as we win the league ast the end of the season thats all i care about.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"Question for the Man U fans who's worst at dealing with Torres is it Vidic or Rio?'"
I blame Van Der sar more, how did he get on against them the previous season? 1-0 and 3-0? Swings and roundabouts Luke.
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| Quote ="Mark"I blame Van Der sar more, how did he get on against them the previous season? 1-0 and 3-0? Swings and roundabouts Luke.'"
Someone should remind him then.
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Only been two goals mate, not as if he terrorised them all game was it? Ill give him the game at OT, but Torres himself said he wasnt great on sunday, the goal had more to do with the great ball frm Benayoun and Van der sar not coming out, sometimes you have to applaud great play.
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