Se, it's never the fault of scousers, is it?

He isn't innocent. I just think there has been a hideous over-reaction with regard to the celebration. In my opinion the stamping deserves the three matches, if found guilty, the other would not.

One thing is for sure, it's probably cost us any chance we would have had on Sunday as we will have no player to lead the line and, despite the alleged ten forwards, it looks like we will only have Bellamy left available.

Never mind, we waited 34 years to win there, I never expected us to do it twice in eighteen months.

Absolutely. You're getting there, thankfully.

There were two reported injuries from those incidents. One was a little scratch on RVP's face. The other was a steward losing conciousness and needing to go to hospital.

There were two massively different reaction times for those incidents. One was an instant reaction that can barely be seen in real time. The other took probably 15 seconds from start to finish.

He should be done for the celebration* and get off with the stamp. Cristiano Ronaldo got off with his blatant kicking of SWP (?) last season. Rooney gets away with more than that about 10 times a game.

*Depending on the rules about punishing players already punished by refs.

Just a question about the stamping incident and live TV.

What was the response from the commentators when that incident happened?

Did they flag that as a serious incident at the time, or was it just when RVP cried about it after the game that it became a serious issue?

Jennifer Ellison went to dancing school in St Helens. I hope this doesn't put you off her.

FGTH? Am i being stupid?

Her being a scouser and the accompanying accent doesn't put me off her, so why would her dancing in St Helens?



Frankie Goes to Hollywood.

Would never have had you down as a Frankie fan.

As far as I am aware, Adebayor did not knock the steward out.

I hear what you are saying but where do you draw the line? As I stated before, Eduardo dived in front of the away fans in a successful attempt to cheat his way to a penalty. Was that not provocative? That could similarly have caused a rush of angry away fans?

However, you could bet your bottom dollar in such a case, now Eduardo's behaviour has been deemed acceptable, the fans would have rightfully been blamed for such behaviour rather than the player who 'provoked' it.

Amazes me how the FA can charge a player for a celebration, something the referee dealt with, yet we see players getting fractured skulls in games, their legs being snapped in half and some disgraceful challenges, but the FA won't do squat.

It's just ridiculous, they're so inconsistent with their decisions and rules.

I see Clattenberg now claims he didn't see the incident with Van Persie and he would have sent him off if he had. He was five yards away staring straight at them with a perfectly unobstructed view.

He didn't. But he caused that incident. Without him running from one end of the field to the other it wouldn't have happened.



IMO the line's drawn between "normal" celebration and one solely designed to incite. IMO he'd have been pushing at the line if he'd done that after scoring at the away end. He'd have probably got away with it. And incidentally, Thierry Henry used to always celebrate by goading us when he scored against us, so it is ironic that they were on the other end this time.

But I just think that going from one end of the pitch to the other, you're creating the problem, you're going well out of your way to create the problem. You're getting done for the problems you create.

Eduardo's dive was just an incident that happened to take place there. Same with nasty tackles in front of oppo fans. These are things that are going to anger oppo fans, but it's in the stewards remit to sort these problems out. They shouldn't have to be dealing with professional players deliberately inciting the fans though.



But Eduardo's behaviour hasn't been deemed acceptable to anyone. To anyone with eyes Eduardo is a diving cheat, Wenger's a hypocritical liar and UEFA are incompetent morons.

The fans should be blamed for over-reacting to diving or a bad foul. They should also be blamed for their part in the reaction to Adebayor, and IMO they will if the CCTV evidence can be found. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bunch of banning orders on the back of this.

The new rules about capping and home grown players. Chelsea have just been banned from signing any players because of the Kakuta signing. There are now loads of clubs coming forward and saying that Man United, Liverpool etc have done similar things to them. FIFA are saying that young players should be left at the clubs where they grow up so they can develop. But bringing in this home grown players rule will mean that it's far more important that the young players PL clubs have are the best available. FIFA want young players left alone, but the PL are bringing in rules that will make them even more prized.

The incident would not have happened if the fans had shown the kind of restraint you expect from an adult.

What next? Away fans being excused for ripping up seats and throwing them at home fans because the home supporters near the segregation line celebrated.

Which of the following should be punished:
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (where an ex-player scores)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (where an ex-player scores)?
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a derby game)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a derby game)?
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game against a bitter rival)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game against a bitter rival)?
* Running 80 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game in which the scorer has a problem with the opposition fans)?
* Running 40 yds to celebrate in front of opposition fans (in a game in which the scorer has a problem with the opposition fans)?

What is incitement?

If teh fans don't react, is it still incitement?

What is the acceptable running distance, and what is the relevant context in which it is allowed?


If the FA ban Adebayor on the grounds of improper conduct, it will set a dangerous precedent. If this actually took place in a court, the charges would fail, without doubt.

Under law he could actually be charged with a public order offence.

Adebayor is facing a three-match ban for violent conduct for the incident involving Robin van Persie, while the City striker is likely to face an additional punishment for the celebration that followed his goal in the 4-2 win.



Make of that what you will.

He's only just got his job back. I doubt he wants to rock the boat with the FA. It's sad to be honest, as I thought he had an excellent game. One of the best refereeing performances of the season IMO.

Let's talk proper football now, big champions league week ahead with Inter v Barca being the pick of the games. I fancy Inter to win it this year as they have recruited well in Eto'o, Sneijder, Motta, Lucio and Milito. Eto'o gives them that touch of class up front which they were lacking previously.

Eh? WTF you on about here?

You chatting again?

Both Milito and Eto'o scored at the weekend. Eto'o's was a cracker.

I'm really not.

He told me it had been shut down, the blue room or something, but he didn't know why. But he'd spoken to a few bluenose mates and he said they'd shut it down during or after the Burnley game, because a poster on there made a thread calling Jo and Saha slaves or something disgraceful. He said not long after it was closed due to people abusing the forum or something.

Is Sneijder fit? He was stretchered off for the Oranje t'other week. Anyway, I think this will go either way, either Inter will pull it off or they'll get ruined by Barca.

I think the Milito/Eto'o partnership will trouble Barca a lot, they have an industrious midfield that will have to do their best to shut Barca down. Should be good, I think Barca will win myself, 2-0, Henry double.

A poster? So one nobheed getting hold of a computer means Everton fans are racist?

What are you on about?

Nobody's said that.

Deary me. Wouldn't suprise me tbh, we could win the league, Europa league, FA Cup, Carling Cup this season and if you went on Bluekipper people would still find things to moan or blame Moyes for. I don't bother with the Everton forums, if you're ever depressed never use them or you will have committed suicide after two threads, they are that bad. Jo doesn't look great this year but how people can argue with Saha i'll never know, yes he missed a pen against Burnley but he has been great this season so far. Anyway, both will be second choice to Yakubu shortly when he is fully fit.