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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"I dont know an awful lot about it hence the question. So what is the justice you seek? Its a genuine Question.'"
Justice for the families of the 96 who died. A proper independent inquiry into the tragedy, so that the authorities in question are held accountable for these deaths, and the real truth can be published for all to see.
96 friends gone but not forgotten. YNWA
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"The fact that 96 people went to a football match full of excitement and expectation and ended up dying is a horrible tragedy and something that every football fan of a certain age will remember vividly.
But where's the memorial to the recently dead of the Ivory Coast? Where's the Bradford fire memorial? Heysel? Ibrox?
Nah, let's just forget those disasters and instead focus on the billionth remembrance of the Hillsborough tragedy.'"
Its the 20th anniversary on the 15th of April, HTH
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| Quote ="FireWire"Its the 20th anniversary on the 15th of April, HTH'"
So the 20th anniversary of the Bradford fire was also given a memorial thread on rlfans? The Ivory Coast tragedy happened less than two weeks ago, but that thread seems to be missing.
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| Just read the whole of the contrast website, excellent site and source of information it is.
What a terrible tragedy, R.I.P to all the deceased.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"So the 20th anniversary of the Bradford fire was also given a memorial thread on rlfans? The Ivory Coast tragedy happened less than two weeks ago, but that thread seems to be missing.'"
I appreciate what you're saying but I never understand why people make this point. The fact that other people have suffered in similar circumstances does not make it any less significant on this occasion.
As has been noted above, it could have happened to any set of supporters, particularly in that ground. I'm going to a football match tonight - crazy to think I might not come back because of something that happened at the ground.
It's inexplicable if there has never been an independent enquiry. Inexplicable.
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| I have been fascinated by this event for a long time, trying to do a lot of research on it, try and get photos, video, testimonies of the events and from the people who were there to witness it. It was a tragic event and something that should have never happened, and never happen again
RIP the 96
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| This is going to be a long post but if you really want to know about that day and the REAL TRUTH please take the time to do it.
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Please link to, and not copy and paste, articles - Thanks
[urlhttp://www.sundaymail.co.uk/lifestyle/real-life-stories/2009/03/29/paramedic-tony-edwards-finds-peace-20-years-after-hillsborough-disaster-78057-21237034/[/url
[urlhttp://timesonline.typepad.com/fanzine_fanzone/2009/03/hillsborough--.html[/url
Please read them thanks.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"The fact that 96 people went to a football match full of excitement and expectation and ended up dying is a horrible tragedy and something that every football fan of a certain age will remember vividly.
But where's the memorial to the recently dead of the Ivory Coast? Where's the Bradford fire memorial? Heysel? Ibrox?
Nah, let's just forget those disasters and instead focus on the billionth remembrance of the Hillsborough tragedy.'"
If your not going to add anything good to this thread then please leave it, its great to see other fans of clubs wanting to know about the truth and a great post by GT.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"If your not going to add anything good to this thread then please leave it, its great to see other fans of clubs wanting to know about the truth and a great post by GT.'"
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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"I dont know an awful lot about it hence the question. So what is the justice you seek? Its a genuine Question.'"
To be honest we will never get the real justice that we want which would be David Duckinfield to go down, even the case of Anne Williams who was seeking to win a new Inquest into the death of Kevin William her son does not look like it will happen, after hillsborough the coroner decided to put a 3.15 p.m. cut off point, the reason he argued that the victims would have been dead or brain dead by that time. No evidence was heard after that time.
Off duty police officer Derek Bruder found a pulse at 3.37 p.m St Johns Ambulance woman took over Miss Martin found a pulse and after resuscitation Kevin's ribs started to move so thinking she had him alive, she picked Kevin up in her arms. It was then that Kevin opened his eyes, murmured the word "Mum", slumped back and died in her arms at 4.00 p.m.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"This is going to be a long post but if you really want to know about that day and the REAL TRUTH please take the time to do it.
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Please link to, and not copy and paste, articles - Thanks'"
Is this for real? jesus do you want me to ask Paul himself if I can use his article?
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| Quote ="Wire_85"Is this for real? jesus do you want me to ask Paul himself if I can use his article?'"
No, I want you to post a link to it, or nothing at all.
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| Quote ="Asim"No, I want you to post a link to it, or nothing at all.'"
Why though I can get his permission to use his article therefore no copy rights etc?
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| Quote ="Wire_85"Why though I can get his permission to use his article therefore no copy rights etc?'"
Because I'm a moderator on here and that's my decision.
Post a link, if people want to follow it they can, lets face it it's highly likely the thread will soon descend into an argument and won't last anyway.
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| Quote ="Asim"Because I'm a moderator on here and that's my decision.
Post a link, if people want to follow it they can, lets face it it's highly likely the thread will soon descend into an argument and won't last anyway.'"
Well larr dee daar and no I dont think it will "descend into an argument" there have been some great posts by other fans.
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| I'd also recommend people who want to know more get hold of a copy of David Conn's book "The Beautiful Game? Searching For The Soul Of Football." The chapter on Hillsborough is a real eye-opener and puts to bed plenty of the myths and half-truths perpetuated by some people.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"The fact that 96 people went to a football match full of excitement and expectation and ended up dying is a horrible tragedy and something that every football fan of a certain age will remember vividly.
But where's the memorial to the recently dead of the Ivory Coast? Where's the Bradford fire memorial? Heysel? Ibrox?
Nah, let's just forget those disasters and instead focus on the billionth remembrance of the Hillsborough tragedy.'"
my friend eric and i met at switch island on the morning of the match, full of optimism for the afternoon, confidnt of another visit to wembley. we arrived in sheffield at approximately 12:30, and as usual for away games we went for aspot of lunch and a pint. at 2:00 we made our wa to the ground still full of hope and in good spirits, there was already quite a crowd outside the leppings lane end and the police just appeared to be content to let the crowd get bigger and bigger. at about 2:45 they appeared to have completely lost control of the situation and panicked by opening one of the exit gates allowing people to surge through. at that point i lost contact with my mate, and the next time i saw him he was laid out in the makeshift mortuary in the stadium gym.
that moment has haunted me for 20 years, that is why hillsborough means so much to some people, and i hope to god that you never have to experience what i and countless others experienced on that afternoon.
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| Quote ="GT"Actually, it was the neglect of clubs like Sheffield Wednesday in not keeping the terraces safe. Crash barriers were either missing or so dilapidated they buckled and collapsed under the pressure. If the ground had been properly maintained and the police hadn't just herded everyone into the centre pen rather than ensuring people got to the others as well, then the disaster could well have been averted. The authorities should've known something was likely to happen, ask any United fan who was stood on that Leppings Lane terrace just a few months previously what they thought of the state of the place. Unfortunately the authorities didn't think football fans were deserving of human rights and allowed places like Hillsborough to get into such a sorry, unsafe state.
It could've happened to anyone, which is something that a lot of people today should remember.'"
My mate still to this day says the same thing about the Leppings Lane.
Shocking to think that you could die at a football match.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"So the 20th anniversary of the Bradford fire was also given a memorial thread on rlfans? The Ivory Coast tragedy happened less than two weeks ago, but that thread seems to be missing.'"
The Bradford fire is memorialized every year at the last home game and on the day itself with a ceremony outside the City Hall where the monument stands. It's a quiet, dignified affair with civic dignitaries, some players,emergency service representatives and a few supporters/survivors and bereaved relatives. The 56 will never be forgotten by these people so don't need any platitudes on here from people who don't really care!
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| standing,terraces even fences don't kill people....poor policing & stewarding does..
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| I was 7 at the time so, i had no idea what had really happened.
Bloody Hell.
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| Theres a program about it next wednesday at 8pm on the history channel, brought a tear to me eye just seeing the advert
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"The fact that 96 people went to a football match full of excitement and expectation and ended up dying is a horrible tragedy and something that every football fan of a certain age will remember vividly.
But where's the memorial to the recently dead of the Ivory Coast? Where's the Bradford fire memorial? Heysel? Ibrox?
Nah, let's just forget those disasters and instead focus on the billionth remembrance of the Hillsborough tragedy.'"
Nobody has forgotten those disasters. This forum clearly has members that were directly affected by the Hillsborough disaster. If for argument sake a Bratfud Bulls fan started a Bradford fire rememberance thread it would be treated by most humane people with the respect it would deserve.
Now p1$$ off!!
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| Quote ="airliebird9"Nobody has forgotten those disasters. This forum clearly has members that were directly affected by the Hillsborough disaster. If for argument sake a Bratfud Bulls fan started a Bradford fire rememberance thread it would be treated by most humane people with the respect it would deserve.
Now p1$$ off!!'"
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| Quote ="airliebird9"Nobody has forgotten those disasters. This forum clearly has members that were directly affected by the Hillsborough disaster. If for argument sake a Bratfud Bulls fan started a Bradford fire rememberance thread it would be treated by most humane people with the respect it would deserve.
Now p1$$ off!!'"
If a Bradford fan posted about the Bradford fire the post would be treated with the utmost respect.
If the Bradford fan posts 100s of threads about it, he starts creating avatars about it, he starts writing sigs about it, then there'll come a time when people start getting sick of it and tell him to move on with his life.
But there's a huge difference with the way that Bradford City fans and Liverpool fans treat their disasters. Bradford City treat their disaster in a calm and respectful manner. Liverpool have built a grief industry off the back of Hillsborough.
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