I thought we saw the best and worst of Everton. They had large spells of dominance in the game today. They had United under all sorts of pressure and got 17 attempts on goal in, more than their opponents once more today. More possession, more shots, more on target, more corners. But they conceeded two really, really soft goals and United could have scored 10. It took Everton 92 minutes to put a proper cross in despite being in the position to put balls in all game. When they came, the two that produced the goals were fantastic by Baines.

I thought Scholes was fantastic for United, but they can't have that midfield against the likes of Chelsea as they would get mullered.

The referee rightly got a roasting from Davey Moyes at the end. He was simply awful. Johnny Evans and Vidic fouled Cahill almost every time the ball went near him. They were allowed to charge into his back and very often with Evans who is an absolute donkey, he just ran into Cahill with his elbows into the back of his head. The one or two times Cahill had a dig back he was penalised for it. How he got through that game without losing his rag with someone is beyond me. Vidic's reaction when Cahill did return one of the elbows was hillarious, what an absolute fanny. And the end? How controversial was that? I'd love to see the ref explain that one. Board says 3 minutes and there are 2 goals, at least one corner in the injury time and he only adds 20 seconds? Bizarre that he called time when Everton had a 6 on 2 situation and I'm not surprised Moyes was a little bothered by it. Is the ref really suggesting they only wasted 20 seconds celebrating two goals and a waiting for a corner? Utterly bizarre.

I'm not saying Valdes is better than Reina or vice versa, but I just can't agree with your evaluation of Valdes as 'just a decent player'. It's a similar one to Carlos Puyol for me in that I use to think he was average at best but after seeing him week in, week out I firmly believe he's very good.

Rob, are you saying that Reina is better than Casillas?

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He didn't want Taggart shouting at him if Everton got a winner. He'd much prefer Moyes.

No, but Ali Al Habsi is

Two great chances for Utd at 3-1 but Berbatov/Nani went for glory rather than passing to better placed team-mates. In the same situation Chelsea would've won 5-1. Don't have much confidence in Utd away from home at the moment which is pretty strange.

Stunning post, I think that sums everything up perfectly tbh mate well said. The goals we conceded were very soft indeed, sloppy defending but they did have numerous chances to extend the lead but they didn't take them. They'll look back and say they should've won the game but they didn't take their chances and we did albeit late on. Superb result in the end, heading into injury time 3-1 down to then finish up 3-3 is bizarre.

The only thing I'd add to your post is how well Yakubu played when he came on, the twenty minutes Moyes eventually gave him I thought he was outstanding. He was physical and gave Vidic and Evans something to think about. He held the ball up well, he was strong, led the line well, laid the ball off well making some intelligent runs and his play for Osman's chance was quality, held off 4 or 5 united players before playing Ossie through on goal. Not only all that but it allowed Cahill to move back into the role he plays so well, playing off the front man.

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Absolutely. He made us a different side when he came on.

With the players he has wasted money on and the way results are going surely Wee Chesney is on borrowed time at the Riverside.

For me he has to start next Saturday now with Cahill playing just off, I'm certain we'll find an end to our scoring problems.

Spot on. Although Moyes said he wasn't fit to play 90 mins maybe he will be by next week.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: yes I think he is. I think Casillas is the most overrated player in the world alongside Rooney, however surreal that may seem.

Amzing how these overrated players keep winning things isn't it? Whilst these best in the world types win jack.

Decent point at Everton, they probably deserved the win. That's 2 games we've let leads slip but on the brightside we lost at both thos places last year.

I'll see your Casillas and Rooney and raise you with Gerrard and Torres, when did either of them last play well for Liverpool?

Shocking result for Utd, two away games which we lost last season Fulham/Everton should have both been wins, to be 4 points behind at this stage when we should have a 100% record is poor.

Torres was good when fit last year, he scored quite a bit considering the situation. Gerrard's been pretty similar, only his problem has been playing a position where he's been completely reliant upon teammates for him to play well.

I think everybody knows that a fit Torres is one of the top 3 strikers in the world alongside Villa and Drogba, nobody else really comes close. Gerrard is still a class player, just struggling to get into games due to an inept midfield playing behind him. It seems I'm forever banging on about somebody to come in, but once people realize how inept Lucas/Poulsen are, they will realize why Gerrard has struggled so much over the past year. I felt that once Aquilani returned, Gerrard would improve, he did towards the end of the year when Aquilani came in, although Gerrard was forced to play deeper, something I didn't agree with. Now we have another midfielder, Meireles, who will hopefully work better with Gerrard. I just hope Gerrard stays in the hole and Meireles plays deeper.

Casillas is good, probably the best shot stopper in the world, but I feel there are better 'keepers out there. People make Casillas out to be the undisputed greatest in the world, when, I feel, he's a top 'keeper, overrated due to the team he plays for and the age in which his career started.

As for Rooney, again, a good player in a very good team, but give me Torres, Villa, Drogba, Eto'o, Higuain, Aguero (massively overrated), Pato and probably Forlan over the past few years over him. He may well have won loads of trophies piggy backing off CR7, but I don't think he's near as great as he's made out, whilst I don't think he'll ever have a better season than last year.

No one else comes close to Drogba, Torres and Villa, well imo Rooney is easily in the league but we won't agree.

I think Liverpool should play a second striker and let Gerrard play centre midfield and allow him to play box to box, easily his best position. Just needs the right partner, he showed playing for England in that position that he is far more and his runs forward are dangerous and his working back is also vital.

Went to Sevilla/Deportivo last night, blimey it was boring - I've never seen a La Liga game where both sides gave up the ball so easily, and there was no hustle and bustle which means that can be overcome when watching a game in say England or Germany, then again after sweltering all day at 40 degrees plus I wouldn't be too up for playing a game of football with much tempo either.

The most interesting thing I can remember was Palop setting up 2 dangerous Sevilla counter attacks by directing punches to Jesus Navas, rather than catching the ball and slowing things down, something I'd not really looked at before but I remember someone on here pointing it out as a tactic a couple of weeks ago, then being derided for that opinion.

Scholes has been our best player all season.

T'was me! It's a tactic that can be very effective on the continent, less so than over here as the ability punch is often harder here due to the dumb refereeing and the emphasis to clear is often put on the defenders' shoulders. You often see Almunia trying to do it for Arsenal, as Wenger knows it's an effective tactic, but Almunia is far too poor to do it regularly.

Tony Pulis what a legend!

Problem was, as soon as he started scoring a few goals in Argentina he received the hype that any youngster that has a few good games does.

Plus the fact that Argentina had lost some of their more established strikers, he was dubbed the new Maradona to spearhead the next wave of Argie talent with Tevez and Higuain.

He had the potential though; Atletico turned him into the wrong player. Maybe it was Aguero himself, I can't quite explain it, but they turned him into the bulky 'lead' striker, when I felt he could have become the all-round playmaker striker, you know, the second striker with all the creative ability, but stupendous speed/agility/finishing ability. I think he was too good technically to be a lead striker, whilst his lack of height would always make him 'easier' to play against than other '9s'. I think Atletico turned him from a South American to a European, he's still a top player, but the hype that surrounds him now really is stupendous.

If you look across to Italy, it seems Milan are sort of doing the opposite with Pato. He looked to be the next great striker, the top '9' with all the Brazilian flair, but it seems Milan moved him into a right forward/winger style player, his all-round game continues to get better, whilst his pace, strength and finishing is a natural gift he'll never lose (unless he gets Hargreaves-esque knees). I think he could become one of the world's best, but seeing him, Ibra and Robinho fit in the same team will be interesting, especially if Ronaldinho and Pirlo are thrown in there as well.