Young.

Fine, stick to being happy at trying to win your two cup finals every year then.

Quick work

I will always remember that day, but it won't be because of the football.

I can't for the life of my find a quote but I liked Giggs' response when he was asked about the derby shotly after United won the Champions League. He said that players were gutted they let everyone down that day but that he hoped that the Champions League and League double went some way to making up for it.

Where do you get this myth that he can't pass?

He isn't a better passer than Alonso, but who is? His passing is short and efficient; also, he isn't the most creative, but I do remember him setting up a goal for Yossi Benayoun only a couple of weeks ago against Wigan, but I guess he cannot create anything



You know, last year Mascherano averaged 53 passes a game, I can't remember how many were successful, but he averaged the highest amount of passes per game for us, now, do you honestly think that a side containing players like Gerrard and Alonso would persistently give it to a player who cannot pass? He doesn't spray 50 yard balls around the field like Alonso, or persistently play slide rule balls like Gerrard, but he can pass and he's very efficient when doing so.

Just spotted this.....you know you love the twins Keith!

I think most United fans were pretty content how the season panned out.

Number of successful passes is the most irrelevant stat in football. Gelson Fernandes makes about 80 passes in a game. Doesn't make him any good .

An 'efficient passer'? Fella, I could pass to Mascherano's standard was when I was in my early teens.

If the ball fell to him in mifield with 10 seconds left would you honestly think he could set someone up or score himself? Can you think of a starting XI player at Liverpool that you would least want to have the football in that situation?

It is a Cup Final for one club.

Salford and Manchester City...how does that work out? Two teams from different cities...just wondering like?

Aye, he completely forgot its spelt with a Sh and not C at the start.

What has him having the ball in the last 10 seconds got to do with anything?

There are plenty of players I'd rather it fall to Masch than, such as Carragher, Kuyt, Dossena or Arbeloa. I don't get what this is meant to be, if it's the last 10 seconds, you'd be walloping it in the box, not passing it to your holding midfielder expecting him to set up a goal or score.

An efficient passer means he keeps possession, he isn't a creator, or a goalscorer, but he keeps things ticking and keeps possession well, you make it out as though he has no talent whatsoever, there's no point even debating with you, because somebody isn't a fantastic passer means they aren't a footballer, according to you

You see, apart from quoting me in your sig', your also looking back over my posts, and using what I've said to base your opinion of 'Robbie' (Are you Mark Hughes ??) on. I tell you that he plays best in a free role, d'nar ! A page or two later Enfield Exile uses the exact same phrase to 'Tell Me' where Robbie plays best. I guess I should take that as a compliment, especially as your a football guru who watches Robbie every week.

In simple terms for you, I've watched alot of Robinho, lots of him at Real too as I was interested in him since he was billed as something special when at Santos. (I know for you, Robinho has only existed since August 31st 2008 - But he did play before that, honestly). I've watched with interest where each & every manager has played him, as I've never been quite sure what he is, as you rightly say, is he left of a three ? Free Role ? A frontman ? A winger ? I think what he is, is a luxury. Somebody who if you have a side who can afford to have a bloke who'll find himself in pockets of space, play in behind either a frontman or two but will roam left, right & off the front, then he will influence the game. If you ask him to provide you with genuine width he offers you nothing, Ribery & Young do this role much, much better.

In a conversation about World Class wingers, you dismissed suggestions from another poster, who put forward Robben, Ronaldo, Ribery etc, and you dismissed them out of hand that they weren't a patch on 'Robbie' as you & Mark Hughes like to call him, you then in your post put something along the lines of "But he's at his best as a forward", which he is. But to dismiss the options like Ribery & Robben, you obviously feel he's the best winger in the world, as people have given you the candidates, and you've just dismissed them, ridiculously, out of hand, especially when everybody can see your being really, really daft.

Nobody is having a pop at 'Robbie', not me anyhow, I think he has ability, but he isn't a winger. Any of the initial names given to you, do a better job of that role than him, and Ashley Young does too.

I await your next response, calling me out like a wrestler. That's me done anyhow. I've got my opinions on Robinho, and thankfully folk on here seem to be on a similar trail of thought. Football is all about opinions, it's just difficult when you get folk who see things one eyed.

You have caught me out. I am a glory hunter.

But you are betraying your scouse routes

Best WUM....ever

I just look at your posts and think, how can I be like Enfield?



keithcun can also take some credit.

I said it much earlier in the thread that Robson is better as a forward. It's also on a number of my posts on two City forums. These posts go back a fair while, even before he joined City.



You were interested in watching a teenager?





So you watch him closely? Ok, name each position that he has played for City, and tell me what position he played in during his best performances for the team? If you cannot, your opinion has zero credibility.

He's provided width when he has had to. It depends which LB is playing behind him. Since Bridge has joined, he has come inside more. When Ball was playing, he was offering genuine width.

I think you are confusing yourself.

A 'luxury'? How very condescending.



Did I dismiss them all? Re-read my post

Just because Liverpool have the best defensive winger in football, there is no need to be so angry.



...and many City fans. But then how would you know because you know zip about the club, fans and its players. Anyways, what's the point you are trying to make? Or do you often write sentences that don't have a point?




He's a great player who can play on the wing and still look world class in that position.




What is the word count difference between 'dismissing them out of hand' and 'fair explanation'?

Was what I said about the other wingers less analystical of your view that Young is better than Robbie (It really does get funnier

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What is a 'winger'? You didn't answer my earlier question.






The more you say it, the funnier it gets. There will be plenty of top clubs all over Europe after Robihno in the summer. Major clubs? Who will be after Young? Probably one or two top Prem clubs and Spurs.

Are you honestly satying that if Robson was English, and the only place for him was on the left-wing, that Capello would choose Young ahead of him, and that it would be a straightforward choice?



Funnily enough, I was on the Tube last night and I overheard some Brazilian fans state that they wished Ashley Young was Brazilian.



ooooh, the words of the self-righteous loser. Two people have PMd me to tell me you are talking nonesense. Both of them are United supporters. Are they one-eyed to

If it's "all about opinions", then you need to relax as you were seemingly getting very annoyed

Robinho's still w[ia[/ink.

Who are you? I never knew you existed until a few minutes ago. (Please, no Cartesian / Dualism references)

I must credit you for two brilliant posts though. You probably get little credit at home but I think everyone deserves to have their head patted and hair ruffled occasionally. Consider yourself patted and ruffled, you really are special.

Sheddy, you lacking attention?

I'll give tyou some. I dismnissed your post from yesterday but I thought that I should at least acknowledge your existence today



Berbatov or Robbie? "We've got Robhino"

That's your post.

His goalscoring record is great for a wide player.

Who are all these wingers who are better than him ?

Somebody named them for you, you dismissed them, including Ribery. All the names provided are better wingers than Robinho, It's you in the above post who's labelled him a winger. That's where all this started, you asking for names who are better.

Now, I'm not a Liverpool fan, so why you've name checked that, bemuses me.

You can pull my posts apart all you like, simple facts are, you asked for better wingers, were given them, and won't have it. I'm not going to keep arguing, it's not cool for every other poor sod that has to read it. Your the sort of blinkered football supporter that it doesn't make a jott of difference what folk say to you so it's pointless what I say. If you believe that Robinho is a better winger than Ribery, Ronaldo, Robben et al, as you said he is, ie, you scoffed at Ribery, then good on you, and your mates PM'ing you.

Is it too early for my customary anti-Ingerlund post?

Why is it so funny to say Young is better than Robinho?

I'm not saying he is, but Young is one of the prem's most productive players, he works hard and he's consistent.

Real Madrid were considering a move for Young in the summer, I think they're a major club, it wouldn't surprise me to see one or two other big clubs across Europe taking a look, but I very much doubt Villa will sell.