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| Quote ="Mark"Don't believe you. World's best keeper.'"
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| Reina got an absolute mauling by the Spanish press today. Didn't help his cause with Valdes pulling off some top saves either.
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| 2 mistakes from Reina in 18 months/2 years and he's getting stick? I suppose when you set the standards that he has then you come to expect it.
How did the United fans think Van de Sar got on against Fulham? At least Reina actually threw the ball in the net against Arsenal, what was VDS' excuse?
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"2 mistakes from Reina in 18 months/2 years and he's getting stick? I suppose when you set the standards that he has then you come to expect it.
How did the United fans think Van de Sar got on against Fulham? At least Reina actually threw the ball in the net against Arsenal, what was VDS' excuse?
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I know Liverpool have fallen from the limelight a little, but you're pushing it to think that anyone will believe that.
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| Defoe out for 6 weeks with ankle injury.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"I know Liverpool have fallen from the limelight a little, but you're pushing it to think that anyone will believe that.'"
That I believe what? That he has set high standards for himself? He has.
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"That I believe what? That he has set high standards for himself? He has.'"
That he's only made 2 mistakes in 18 months.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"That he's only made 2 mistakes in 18 months.'"
Ok fair enough. I'm sure he has made more than 2 mistakes in 18 months. I should have said mistakes that have led directly to goals. I can't think of any from last season and he's done it twice this season. Well, I know he made the blunder against Arsenal and I'm presuming he's done something similar for Spain with the fuss that's being kicked up.
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"Ok fair enough. I'm sure he has made more than 2 mistakes in 18 months. I should have said mistakes that have led directly to goals. I can't think of any from last season and he's done it twice this season. Well, I know he made the blunder against Arsenal and I'm presuming he's done something similar for Spain with the fuss that's being kicked up.'"
No mate, he's outta this world. He's been an important cog in the Liverpool trophy winning machine the past few years.
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| Really hope el Frente Atlético don't disgrace themselves again this weekend.
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| Quote ="Mark"No mate, he's outta this world. He's been an important cog in the Liverpool trophy winning machine the past few years.'"
So, you can't name any other mistakes he's made and can't answer why VDS threw the ball in the net twice against Fulham.
It's ok, just let me know earlier in future so we don't have to dance round the table all day.
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"So, you can't name any other mistakes he's made and can't answer why VDS threw the ball in the net twice against Fulham.
It's ok, just let me know earlier in future so we don't have to dance round the table all day.
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I don't tend to watch the mid-table teams that much unless we're playing them. When did he throw the ball in the net twice? Late reaction saves which he didn't have a lot of time for. or are you just imagining things again?
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| Boys, boys! Reina made a bad mistake and had a generally poor 45 minutes, but it's over.
So now maybe he'll be Spain's Nº3 instead of Nº2. Let it go
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Boys, boys! Reina made a bad mistake and had a generally poor 45 minutes, but it's over.
So now maybe he'll be Spain's Nº3 instead of Nº2. Let it go
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It will be laughable if Valdes gets ahead of him. Valdes is Barca's poorest first choice player, by far.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"It will be laughable if Valdes gets ahead of him. Valdes is Barca's poorest first choice player, by far.'"
Didn't see much Spanish football last year then?
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Didn't see much Spanish football last year then?'"
Didn't actually see as much as I used to, but still seen enough to know Valdes is some way off Reina. Furthermore, I think it's harder to be a goalkeeper in England than Spain, I think our league is much more 'challenging' for goalkeepers, which naturally makes me regard Reina's performances a lot higher.
Still, even then, if Barca could afford to lose one player that they wouldn't miss at all, it would obviously be Valdes, as he is just 'decent'.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"Didn't actually see as much as I used to, but still seen enough to know Valdes is some way off Reina. Furthermore, I think it's harder to be a goalkeeper in England than Spain, I think our league is much more 'challenging' for goalkeepers, which naturally makes me regard Reina's performances a lot higher.
Still, even then, if Barca could afford to lose one player that they wouldn't miss at all, it would obviously be Valdes, as he is just 'decent'.'"
Would this be your view if you weren't a Liverpool fan?
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| Quote ="Conroy"Would this be your view if you weren't a Liverpool fan?'"
I struggle to understand what you're trying to achieve? If you're asking me to post without bias, then, it's kinda hard when describing Liverpool players, but I don't think what I say is biased. I think if I wasn't a Liverpool fan and I watched Reina a lot, watched him sceptically and understood/appreciated his strengths, then I'd easily come to the conclusion that Reina is a far better goalkeeper than Valdes. Although it's hard for goalkeepers to be 'far better', as you rarely see all of their attributes consistently, having watched both players for years (Reina every week for the past 4 years, Valdes quite a bit for about 5/6 years), I can safely say I've formed a pretty strong conclusion that Reina is better.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"I struggle to understand what you're trying to achieve? If you're asking me to post without bias, then, it's kinda hard when describing Liverpool players, but I don't think what I say is biased. I think if I wasn't a Liverpool fan and I watched Reina a lot, watched him sceptically and understood/appreciated his strengths, then I'd easily come to the conclusion that Reina is a far better goalkeeper than Valdes. Although it's hard for goalkeepers to be 'far better', as you rarely see all of their attributes consistently, having watched both players for years (Reina every week for the past 4 years, Valdes quite a bit for about 5/6 years), I can safely say I've formed a pretty strong conclusion that Reina is better.'"
Not trying to achieve anything. Was asking a simple question. We all know that club loyalties can take hold. As good a keeper as I think Reina is, I do think Valdes is better.
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| Quote ="Conroy"Not trying to achieve anything. Was asking a simple question. We all know that club loyalties can take hold. As good a keeper as I think Reina is, I do think Valdes is better.'"
And I'm sure you believe Chris Kirkland is better than both. Club bias and all that.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"Didn't actually see as much as I used to, but still seen enough to know Valdes is some way off Reina. Furthermore, I think it's harder to be a goalkeeper in England than Spain, I think our league is much more 'challenging' for goalkeepers, which naturally makes me regard Reina's performances a lot higher.
Still, even then, if Barca could afford to lose one player that they wouldn't miss at all, it would obviously be Valdes, as he is just 'decent'.'"
Valdes was one of Barça's better players last year. Reina needs to be careful as Del Bosque is already keeping tabs on Gorka and De Gea. I don't think the fact that he's playing outside of the Spanish league is an advantage to Reina either.
Oh and if Barcelona could lose one player it would be Hleb.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Valdes was one of Barça's better players last year. Reina needs to be careful as Del Bosque is already keeping tabs on Gorka and De Gea. I don't think the fact that he's playing outside of the Spanish league is an advantage to Reina either.
Oh and if Barcelona could lose one player it would be Hleb.'"
You know what I meant, I meant out of their first choice players.
It should be an advantage to Reina, as I feel he's the most complete of the Spanish goalkeepers. Regardless of his recent errors, I'd say he's tested more than any of the other Spanish goalkeepers, other than Almunia, obviously. By tested I mean more is asked of him with regards to things like crossing, challenges and the like. I don't think Casillas would be that great a 'keeper in England, largely because his style of goalkeeping (punching) is often 'found out' by the physical sides like Stoke. Reina's handling has come on leaps and bounds since he first came, whilst he's still got the natural instinct to punch, which makes him more suited to our league, IMO.
Valdes is just a decent player, I've always rated Diego Lopez as Spain's best third choice, although they do have some good young 'keepers coming through.
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| Cattermole sent off again. Kid's a retard.
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