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| Well the Lions won, but the Australians should have.
Some very disturbing lack of tackling from the Lions in the first half down our left wing ... what the fook was Mike Phillips doing for Australia's first try????
Standing off tackles instead of moving forward to tackle.
Standing still instead of running in to receive the pass on attack.
Very basic errors, very poor!
How many kicks did Australia miss ... four or five?
We missed one.
No brainer, they deserved to win.
But I think we are a better side, but once again led by people that are too conservative.
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| Quote ="Stand-Offish"Well the Lions won, but the Australians should have.
Some very disturbing lack of tackling from the Lions in the first half down our left wing ... what the fook was Mike Phillips doing for Australia's first try????
Standing off tackles instead of moving forward to tackle.
Standing still instead of running in to receive the pass on attack.
Very basic errors, very poor!
How many kicks did Australia miss ... four or five?
We missed one.
No brainer, they deserved to win.
But I think we are a better side, but once again led by people that are too conservative.'"
It felt throughout the game like Australia would blow us away any moment if they just stepped up a gear, but it never happened. Lions have to improve, but they could do it.
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| Hungover In Brisbane with 4 days to kill till origin and this is not a cheap town to drink in!
Best team lost last night........fear of losing is killing the lions
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| Five changes to the Lions side for the second Test.
Although some enforced by injury, an acknowledgement from Gatland that they got out of jail last Saturday?
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| Shocking second test IMO, good tension but quality-wise abysmal. Perfectly set up for the decider though..
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| I was out training so Sky Plussed it. Managed to fast forward through all the standing around waiting for scrums, lineouts and goal kicking... just emphasised how little actual rugby is played, the whole game took me about 15 minutes to watch
I think the Lions had to take this one, the Aussies will be feeling the momentum build going to Sydney, the Lions will have a tough time there I think
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| This is by no means a great Aussie side but when it comes to playing attacking rugby they're still miles better than anything the Northern Hemisphere can come up with. They're execution was poor though and they should have scored a few more tries. As usual all the emphasis is on the scrum and the set piece in general with the British sides, they don't seem to grasp the fact that you actually have to score points to win a game of rugby, and as soon as it became clear the Aussies could match the Lions in the scrum there was only ever going to be one winner.
If Warburton is injured then I really fear for the Lions chances, for me Tuilangi (sp) has to play if he's fit as the Lions' midfield is offering nothing at the moment.
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| The refereeing of the scrum at elite level has degenerated into a lottery. The whole game the Aussie tight head (Alexander) was driving in diagonally between Tom Youngs and Vunipola making it impossible for the Lions prop to bind on him properly.
The first couple of times he did it, Vunipola got penalised. He did it again twice in the second half, and got penalised himself.
People have a pop at the likes of Brian Moore for continually banging on about scrums, but something seriously needs to be done. Back to the soft engage and preventing pushing before the ball goes in that existed back in the amateur era?
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| To be honest I've always felt the only reason they have scrums in RU is give the fat blokes something to do during a game.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"To be honest I've always felt the only reason they have scrums in RU is give the fat blokes something to do during a game.'"
Watched a couple of club games on Saturday afternoon as part of a fund raiser. Premiers and 1sts........not 1 re-set scrum in 160 minutes of Rugby. I'll add that the games were more entertaining than most of the dross that S15 has thrown up this year.
The Scrum at top level/international level needs a total overhaul IMHO.....
In other news, New Zealand are both mens and womens 7's world champions after winning their respective world cups in front of a few thousand puzzled Russians.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Watched a couple of club games on Saturday afternoon as part of a fund raiser. Premiers and 1sts........not 1 re-set scrum in 160 minutes of Rugby. I'll add that the games were more entertaining than most of the dross that S15 has thrown up this year.
The Scrum at top level/international level needs a total overhaul IMHO.....
In other news, New Zealand are both mens and womens 7's world champions after winning their respective world cups in front of a few thousand puzzled Russians.'"
I've always said that the higher the standard of Union, the worse that it is to watch. And does anyone actually like 7's? I just can't take it seriously, the fact that it's an Olympic sport is a joke.
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| If you look at it positively, 7s produces some breathtaking tries, but it is difficult to take it seriously at all. Not sure why they played it in Russia in the 80k seater soccer stadium, looked bloody awful on TV. There's plenty of countries in Europe with much more rugby interest that they could have used, but money talks I guess.
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| The Lions seem to have approached this series with the view that if they dominate in the forwards they'll inevitably win. But the scrums have been a lottery and if they insist on countless phases of forward possession without actually doing anything they inevitably end up turning over the ball.
I enjoyed the first game but the 2nd test was ruined by the time taken out at the scrums.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Watched a couple of club games on Saturday afternoon as part of a fund raiser. Premiers and 1sts........not 1 re-set scrum in 160 minutes of Rugby. I'll add that the games were more entertaining than most of the dross that S15 has thrown up this year.
The Scrum at top level/international level needs a total overhaul IMHO.....'"
I'm guessing that at that level there's very little force going through the engagement, and little separation between the touch and engage calls?
Go back to allowing both props to have hold of each other before coming together, and you'll have a much more stable scrum to put the ball into.
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| Hallelujah.
Poster up in Morley RFC last night advertising the introduction of new "crouch, bind, set" procedures to be introduced as experimental laws from the start of the next NH season at all levels.
Props will have a bind on their opposite number before the hit, hopefully creating a more stable platform so the scrum half can get the ball straight in.
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| Gatland appears to have become more and more estranged throughout this tour. Absolutely mystifying team selection today.
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| Quote ="richardviking"Gatland appears to have become more and more estranged throughout this tour. Absolutely mystifying team selection today.'"
The wingers might as well bring a deck-chair with them, no way are they getting the ball with that centre partnership.
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| Bit surprised he hasn't stuck Tuilagi at full back, make it the biggest back line in the history of world rugby.
While I agree with the O'Driscoll decision (a poor two games so far), I'm struggling to see what Davies brings to the party either. The skill set of northern hemisphere centres has been completely eroded by the insistence on playing a ten-man game at domestic level, to the point where they are little more than extra back rowers designed to batter across the gain line.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Bit surprised he hasn't stuck Tuilagi at full back, make it the biggest back line in the history of world rugby.
While I agree with the O'Driscoll decision (a poor two games so far), I'm struggling to see what Davies brings to the party either. The skill set of northern hemisphere centres has been completely eroded by the insistence on playing a ten-man game at domestic level, to the point where they are little more than extra back rowers designed to batter across the gain line.'"
Yep, if only we produced more centre's like Fofana (no idea how to spell it). Then again we'd probably shift him to the wing. Thankfully England have Easmond waiting in the wings. I reckon he'll be partnering Tuilangi in the centres for the 6 nations. Brad Barritt's persistant selection to me illistrates everything that's wrong with RU in the NH.
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| Eastmond is an interesting one. No doubt there are several international sides licking their lips at the prospect of being able to send big fellas running at him in midfield.
Unlike half back in rugby league, outside centre in Union really gives you nowhere to hide defensively.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Eastmond is an interesting one. No doubt there are several international sides licking their lips at the prospect of being able to send big fellas running at him in midfield.
Unlike half back in rugby league, outside centre in Union really gives you nowhere to hide defensively.'"
But, at the same time I doubt many centres in RU whom have come up against any body with his footwork and acceleration. Eastmond has also shown a passing game that most centres in RU simply don't posses.
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| It's game over now.
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| Wallabies bottle it in the big game yet again, gotta love it
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| i wonder if the good folk of the press, tv, radio, punters and people on here who slated gatland's selection will now be big enough to apologise for all the vitriol and negativity in the lead up to the game - somehow i doubt it
always open your mouths after the event not before it
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I'm guessing that at that level there's very little force going through the engagement, and little separation between the touch and engage calls?
Go back to allowing both props to have hold of each other before coming together, and you'll have a much more stable scrum to put the ball into.'"
I used to play front row when I played, and the biggest problem was that the referee would vary the speed of the difference between the pause and engage calls, so you'd be second guessing trying to get an advantage.
At international level there's such a long pause between the crouch and the actual engage calls that packs are unbalanced at engage so the scrum's always going down.
Decent game this morning, although I'm not sure about Halfpenny being man of the series, sure he's kicked his goals, but in the first two games he literally just caught and kicked the ball, there was no other contribution.
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