Sounds like what every wrestling fan feared was going to happen.

Watched Raw last night and just finished watching the full 3hrs of TNA, and I can't agree with you Steve51. As I said a few pages back, I caught TNA 2 or 3 times in 2009 and it wasn't even the full episodes, so i'm not some raving TNA fan.

Last nights Raw wasn't much better then it was when I got fed up and stopped watching it on a weekly basis months ago, and TBH it's been that way for the better part of two years now, just so happens last nights show had Bret which made it a bit special.

I thought both of Brets segments were the highlight. The first where he addressed the fans & shawn was decent, the second to close the show with Vince was fantastic. There were a couple of decent matches. DX vs Jericho/show was fairly good and Kofi vs Orton was the best raw match I have seen in a while.

The rest of the show was as terrible as it tends to be, ridiculous 2-4 minute matches which the crowd have no interest in and stupid comedy sections which aren't funny in the slightest (someone please shoot Hornsgle). Cena is away for one week and the singles main event scene is none existent, who is going to challenge Sheamus at the Rumble? Kofi who was just beat by Orton, twice? "Little" Evan Bourne, no that didn't go well, Mark Henry?

TNA which I just watched was able to surprise me time and time again, and that was not due to my limited knowledge of their talent. The majority of the matches may have been short at 5 or 6 mins but in all honesty they were longer then you get on Raw, and I include their 3hr specials in that.

I don't know if the atmostphere is like that every week in the arena but it was electric compared to what I have become used to in WWE, yes it may have a small capacity and be easier to get the place rocking but when the place is buzzing as much as it was in there the guys in the ring take it to the next level, and it showed. Just look at the knockouts tag match for example, I would take that over the US no.1 contender match from raw everyday of the week having seen it.

Anyway that was way longer then I wanted it to be so i'm gona stop now, but if that's how Nitro was on it's last legs (I wouldn't know, was a WWF guy) then Raw must have died a long time ago because the show I just watched entertained me more than any episode of Raw has in years.

And one last thing, AJ vs Angle was amazing for free TV, the only chance of seeing a match of that quality on Raw is in the weeks running up to 'Mania.

TNA achieved their highest ever rating with a 1.5 cable rating with 2.22 million viewers on average. The peak was the first 15 minutes of the 2nd hour with 2.9 million viewers.

That is great news for TNA and Spike TV as they were just looking at maintaining the number they get on Thursdays, hopefully it will lead to more live specials in the future.

RAW had 5.6 million viewers on average.

Sorry to be negative mate, but wasn't Hogan promising a 3.0?

well, given TNA's usual is 1.low, 2.9 is good. Problem is, Hogan seems to be doing what he did in TNA. Brings his old mates along for the ride and forget that it's not 1986 any more.

Where as WWE used Raw to try and put to bed the real issues from Montreal and set back up a working relationship with Bret Hart.

Guess we'll see next week which show is able to pull in a repeat audience. Hogan may have given TNA an injection, but it may turn out to be a lethal one

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than watch a Nasty Boys vs Team 3D feud.

Them, Hall, Waltman and Flair shouldn't be anywhere near the camera. I'm sure they could contribute something backstage on a creative level or in terms of character development but not as an on air talent.

I used to be a huge Razor Ramon fan - its sad to see him embarrassing himself as he is.

But the main question I'd like answering is this...

How did Mark Henry manage to finish his match, travel accross the USA, & put the wig on in time to take part in a knockouts tag match ??

No I meant a 3.0 cable rating bud. Hogan hype as always brother.

TNA replayed the live special in their usual Thursday slot and got 0.9

A first run WWE Superstars that aired 1 hour before that got 0.8, ECW on Tuesday got 0.9, Smackdown! doesn't have ratings figures now as MyNetworkTV isn't a network anymore, they were previously getting around 1.7 with a maximum of 2.2 though.

So TNA didn't beat RAW but they beat Smackdown, ECW and Superstars and at least gave WWE some competition on Monday that improved both shows.

Does anyone ever bother to watch ROH on HDnet?

If you can track down this weeks main event between Roderick Strong and Davey Richards on that famous streaming site do it, it's bloody fantastic.

Agreed mate, it was the first time in ages that I felt genuinely intrigued with wrestling.

Hope TNA can keep it up.
Not seen all of Impact yet but have enjoyed the first hour.

What was with the dodgy X-Division match finish though? Don't blame the fans for chanting "This is bull s**t!", the talent and match deserved a clean winner IMO.
Can't believe I'm saying this (as a long-time Scott Hall/Razor Ramon fan), but I cringed at his appearance.

He looks so rough these days, to the point that you're actually wondering if he's slightly pi$$ed whenever he's on the mike!




On a more positive note though it was awesome to see Bret Hart back, and that's the way Bret should be celebrated and used - a true legend who can still contribute so much, as opposed to the bitter, can't-move-on guy he's been portrayed as (and brought on himself in all fairness) the last 12 years.
Full credit to Bret and WWE - hope there's a lot more to come.


Hope they release that Hitman t-shirt to buy too - looked cool and way better then Cena's crap merchandise.

Bought a ROH DVD a while ago but not really got into their product yet.

I like pure wrestling but, although I think Vince Russo's an idiot, he does have a point when he says that just wrestling alone won't draw big numbers - you do need a mix of wrestling, storylines and characters IMO.

Hey anyone know if Sean Morley (Val Venis) TNA move is permanant? Just I'm seeing All-Star Wrestling in Hull next month and he's on their posters.



Along with Tatanka.

Quote ="Roofs" Hope they release that Hitman t-shirt to buy too - looked cool and way better then Cena's crap merchandise. '" www.wweshop.com/item/bret-hart-e ... RTSHIRT-03 They havent got any for sale on wwe euroshop though

Quote ="Roofs" Hope they release that Hitman t-shirt to buy too - looked cool and way better then Cena's crap merchandise. '" www.wweshop.com/item/bret-hart-e ... RTSHIRT-03 They havent got any for sale on wwe euroshop though

Granted I did not watch Impact, but i was appalled to read what happened. Flair, X-Pac, Hall, Nash, Bischoff, Foley and Hogan dominating the episode. Yet another demonstration of the empty premise of TNA being a wrestling company for fans of what is inside the ring. Only positive from the evening, surely, must be the arrival of Jeff Hardy.

Hardy is only on a short term contract as he is due in court on drugs charges, but after that who knows.

Cheers for the link bud. Think Euroshop is usually a little bit behind Shopzone though so hopefully they'll take stock of it soon.

What do you guys think - greatest or worst wrestling figure of all-time? www.wwe.com/inside/mattel/allpho ... cegreats1/

What do you guys think - greatest or worst wrestling figure of all-time? www.wwe.com/inside/mattel/allpho ... cegreats1/

What does HHH look like in them figures?

Lol, I figured they'd try to pretend his Conan entrance never happened, not make a bloody figure out of it.

Jakks are going to be making the TNA and UFC figures instead now that WWE have gone to Mattel.

I'm loving ROH again at the minute.

I'm watching Danielson's Farewell Tour shows at the minute, some amazing young talents on the shows, really impressed with Tyler Black he could make it big.

A Gay Bezerker...Husk Husk Husk.

Another week of Raw, another week where Jerico (who's been kicked off the show TWICE in recent weeks) is back to get back on Raw. Wish they'd put this much effort into when other guys switch shows