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| ffs. as if everyone isnt sick of cena as it is. the shield are the best thing since evolution imo, naitch; woooooo!. ambrose will be the next punk, imho.
watched some old wwf vids tonight. they once over could do it - jericho's debut will never be topped.
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| Agree RE: Ryback heel turn. He was just starting to get some sort of reaction and this has killed him off. Makes non sense at all.
Would have liked to see Orton turn heel and have feud with Cena for a few months, myself.
On a brighter note, anybody watch RAW on Monday and notice how the mid-carders and jobbers were not squashed as per usual? Made a refreshing change watching Orton v Rhodes (who desperately needs to find himself an angle, he's that good in the ring) and Ryder v Swagger.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"It seems the Cena thing is just a work so WWE can show how amazing Super Cena is by coming back from this injury in super fast time and totally burying Ryback and his nonsensical heel turn'" This is exactly my point.
The wost of it is that if you mention this on some wrestling forums you are classed as a hater even when you are making valid points.
I would go as far as to say that although Cena has earned WWE lots of $$$ he is going to cost them as much when he creates a black hole that they struggle to fill because the amount of burials they have had to perform to keep him up there.
I also like the reasoning that Cena has no say in his angles when it's clear that he does and that he could stop the 'Super Cena' angle any time he wants but that he doesn't because he enjoys being the 'It' man.
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| Is Fandango for real or just a joke ?
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| Just booked to attend Wrestlemania 30!
I've always wanted to go, and I'm bit more affluent after 2 months of working away...so I've bit the bullet and booked it!
Going for 6 nights and doing Axxess, ROH, Hall of Fame, Wrestlemania and Raw. To say I'm excited would be a massive understatement!
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Is Fandango for real or just a joke ?'"
He's real. It's another of WWE's "Throw Sh!t Against The Wall Until Something Sticks" gimmicks. It's just crazy that the guy hasn't actually wrestled and it's just his theme song that's gone viral.
However, with current WWE policy being "You don't get over unless we say you can" I'd expect him to get buried shortly given that the gimmick was clearly meant as some stupid short term joke.
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| Johnny Curtis is doing great things with the character but once his programme with Y2J ends it's hard to see where they can go with it.
Rhino - I went to WM27 and it is something else. I'll always be slightly gutted I didn't wait for 28 but at least I can say I did it. Think I'll do another if it's at a destination I want to visit.
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| So let me get this straight.
No one can defeat the shield...............Except John Cena on his own.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"So let me get this straight.
No one can defeat the shield...............Except John Cena on his own.'"
And on one leg. That's very important.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"And on one leg. That's very important.'" Yeah I forgot that.
The funny thing is that a large proportion can't see how damaging it is.
As much as I don't like anyone getting injured the sooner Cena has an enforced lay off the better. Then and only then will the WWE wake up to the situation they are making hopefully.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Yeah I forgot that.
The funny thing is that a large proportion can't see how damaging it is.
As much as I don't like anyone getting injured the sooner Cena has an enforced lay off the better. Then and only then will the WWE wake up to the situation they are making hopefully.'"
At the end of the day, superman sells more shirts than probably the rest of the WWE put together. He is their biggest draw whether you love him or hate him. The last event I went to I was thinking "I can't wait to boo the s*** out of Cena" so regardless, he sells tickets.
The main problem I have with the WWE these days is how they commentate like their whole fanbase is 10 years old. It's just insulting to the wrestling fan in general and makes me cringe every episode.
I just wish they could find an in between from the attitude era and the PG era. That would be a start.
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| Quote ="Harrigan"At the end of the day, superman sells more shirts than probably the rest of the WWE put together. He is their biggest draw whether you love him or hate him. The last event I went to I was thinking "I can't wait to boo the s*** out of Cena" so regardless, he sells tickets.
The main problem I have with the WWE these days is how they commentate like their whole fanbase is 10 years old. It's just insulting to the wrestling fan in general and makes me cringe every episode.
I just wish they could find an in between from the attitude era and the PG era. That would be a start.'" He may sell tons of stuff but having him bury everyone is short sighted and WILL hurt them in the long run as there is a massive void that they will struggle to fill when he is gone.
Before anyone starts throwing names like Orton (33) and Shamus (35) around don't bother as they won't be far behind Cena retirement wise (Who will work long after his prime whilst he still sells stuff).
Name me a YOUNG wrestler the WWE have properly pushed recently.
To quote Orton STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.
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| The Shield are getting a decent push and are getting protected while it happens, unlike other pushes people have had where they get creamed every week then get a title win.
Also, surprisingly, they managed to build Ryback back up a little with the ending of the title match last night.
However, I really think that they need to bring back the enhancement talent for Raw and Smackdown. Save the superstar matches for PPV's instead of giving the fans the same match 4 weeks running then expect them to pay for the 5th one.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"The Shield are getting a decent push and are getting protected while it happens, unlike other pushes people have had where they get creamed every week then get a title win.
Also, surprisingly, they managed to build Ryback back up a little with the ending of the title match last night.
However, I really think that they need to bring back the enhancement talent for Raw and Smackdown. Save the superstar matches for PPV's instead of giving the fans the same match 4 weeks running then expect them to pay for the 5th one.'" I agree with what you say about the shield.................Then Cena beats them on his own with 1 good leg last Monday. Now I know they all won last night but then you have to ask why did they to put over superman when he didn't need it anyway?
The thing with Ryback is how many times can 1 guy get beat at a PPV (He didn't win last night either) and still look strong? I don't honestly think they know what to do with him and it's hurting him in the process.
I still stick by the fact that the WWE won't/can't look past Cena and they will pay for it long term
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| Raw is a great show at the moment I think. Quite enjoyed most of Ryback's promo 'til it tailed off towards the end.
But I can't quite believe, though not surprised going by his previous, that HHH buried Curtis Axel so quickly.
Would it be a good move to put ALL the gold on the Shield at some point?
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"I agree with what you say about the shield.................Then Cena beats them on his own with 1 good leg last Monday. Now I know they all won last night but then you have to ask why did they to put over superman when he didn't need it anyway?
The thing with Ryback is how many times can 1 guy get beat at a PPV (He didn't win last night either) and still look strong? I don't honestly think they know what to do with him and it's hurting him in the process.
I still stick by the fact that the WWE won't/can't look past Cena and they will pay for it long term'"
Because WWE are back in the attitude they had in the late 80's early 90's. Hogan was still around but being phased out as he was wanting to become a movie star. So WWE/ Vince thought that because they'd made Hogan into this media icon that they could easily do it again. So the belt goes to Warrior. That's a bust. So in comes Psycho Sid, simply because he's big and muscular. Bust again. Lex Luger? Choke artist. Bret Hart? Buried, ironically, by Hogan and his ego.
But then we start to get the attitude era and guys like Taker, HBK, Stone Cold, The Rock and Foley come along.
But after they go, there's not a lot of new characters coming in to take their spots. And we get the situation we're in now.
However, I think the Shield were shown as strong at the PPV as both title wins were clean and had no outside interference. As for all the gold? I'm not sure it'd be a good idea right now.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"Because WWE are back in the attitude they had in the late 80's early 90's. Hogan was still around but being phased out as he was wanting to become a movie star. So WWE/ Vince thought that because they'd made Hogan into this media icon that they could easily do it again. So the belt goes to Warrior. That's a bust. So in comes Psycho Sid, simply because he's big and muscular. Bust again. Lex Luger? Choke artist. Bret Hart? Buried, ironically, by Hogan and his ego.
But then we start to get the attitude era and guys like Taker, HBK, Stone Cold, The Rock and Foley come along.
But after they go, there's not a lot of new characters coming in to take their spots. And we get the situation we're in now.
However, I think the Shield were shown as strong at the PPV as both title wins were clean and had no outside interference. As for all the gold? I'm not sure it'd be a good idea right now.'" I understand the history (I did watch it after all) but that still doesn't explain why Cena can never lose to anyone cleanly (Ignore him against the Rock as that has been proved just to be another 'Cena over coming massive odds' again).
I still go back to Cena beating the shield on his own and have to ask why? 3 against 1 means a loss for Cena doesn't hurt him at all but a shield loss there weakens them and all because super Cena needs to strike again.
Let me ask another question does anyone think Cena will drop the gold cleanly if you are being honest?
Let me clarify my position BTW Cena is the WWE top guy so keeping him away from the belt was brave and after over a year it's time he had it back BUT he never left the main event (Always was on last) even without it so how can anyone else push to be the top guy when they face a glass ceiling like that?
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| RIP Mick McManus.
Makes a change to say that about a wrestler who had a full innings.
Still a better heel that pretty much any guy going today.
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| Rampage Jackson signs with TNA, big move for them!
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| Shamus Vs Damien Sandow AGAIN.
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| Payback Sunday. Can't wait for the return of Punk. Hope they bite the bullet and make it the main event rather than Cena v Ryback.
My picks
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| No, Cena vs Ryback HAS to be the main event. It's for the title.
But it should be about the title, which it won't be.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"No, Cena vs Ryback HAS to be the main event. It's for the title.
But it should be about the title, which it won't be.'"
When Punk had the strap he was often shafted for Cena's grudge matches. This is the return of the company's top talent, in his home town, in what is as close as you'll get to a super match.
Give the UNIVERSE what it wants....maybe let them vote via the WWE App
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| Despite my predictions I've staked money on Y2J (11/2) and Sandow (7/2). Not overly confident on the second one as it's on the pre-show. Hopefully they put Y2J over some how and it would lead for a good built up to Summerslam.
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| Well I didn't think Payback was that bad a PPV.
The Punk vs Jericho match was well worked and, although it was in his home town, seemed to do what was needed in terms of turning Punk face. The Del Rio vs Ziggler match did something similar with Del Rio being able to show a callous heel side and Ziggler showing his fighting spirit. It's rare you get a double face/heel turn and this match did it well.
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