I agree with Mugwump; for Mayweather to beat Pacquiao, he'd have to win by KO. I just can't see any fighter out working Manny. He threw 1231 punches last night, which is pretty unbelievable. However, he looked vunerable in defence, and a fair few punches got through his guard from Clottey, especially the upper cut. With a stinging fighter like PBF, who has the hand speed, and can put together combinations, I wouldn't rule out a KO win for him. That said, it would probably suit Manny to have Floyd coming forward, so then he can use his hand speed to catch him, and if he hurts him, a combination of body and face shots would follow that would surely end the fight?

.As for last night's fight, I would have felt sorry for Clottey at times, but that would be disrespectful I feel. There was an obvious talent gap, but Clottey went in there with a game plan, and stuck to it. There's no shame in losing to Pacquiao on points, and he must be tough as nails, because I thought Manny was hurt more times than Clottey was. A very enjoyable fight, even though it was never much of a contest. I had it 120-108 FWIW

I'm half hoping for Mosley v Pac, TBH.

That would be a motherphucker of a war. Shane has never really struggled against fighters who've come at him - mainly because he's prepared to go to toe-to-toe for 12 rounds. As he said after the Margarito fight [i"I've been fighting these Mexicans all my life ...".[/i

Shane's beard is pretty much bombproof. I can see him taking a Manny onslaught - but can Manny take the kind of heat Mosley brought down on Margarito?

I just don't see this. I think you're talking about the Mayweather of three or four years ago. I've seen signs of deterioration in his game ever since Oscar. Remember, if Oscar doesn't run out of steam in that fight he beats Mayweather. Yet Manny blew Oscar away within three rounds.

Floyd is not the fighter he once was. Yes, his handspeed and intelligence are there, but his legs are going. The Floyd of five years ago bounced around the ring with enormous energy. Today he's content to use that shoulder roll off the hopes. Floyd isn't going to throw over a thousand shots in the bout, which means he'll find it hard to beat Manny on points. I looked at Manny this morning and he seemed like he could do another four rounds. He's not going to run out of steam.

To beat Pac he's got to use his head. He might have to take a lot of punishment to fashion a position where he can catch Pac with a well-timed shot - like the "Check Hook" he got Hatton to bite on.

Some good points....However, let's be honest, Mayweather isn't going to be the one-dimensional, walk straight forward fighter that Hatton, Cotto & now Clottey have been for Pacquaio.

Against Mayweather, of those 1200+ punches, a large majority will be hitting thin air, which will be especially tiring and frustrating for Manny..... Mayweather, most importantly, will also have the belief that he can beat Pacquaio, something which Cotto and, most definitely, Clottey didn't have.....Clottey, especially, was simply in survival mode for the whole 12 rounds, which made Manny's job a whole lot simpler. At times, last night was almost an exhibition.

I think we'll have a better idea of Mayweather's chances after the Mosley showdown...If Mosley gives him problems then we can assume that Pacquaio will go into any fight has a favourite...However, a convincing Mayweather display will certainly give him all the confidence to take on, and defeat Pacquaio.

I agree with The Angry Pirate. Do not underestimate Mayweather just because Pacquiao has looked flashy and powerful against walk forward fighters. Hatton, Cotto and Clottey are not in the same league as Maywweather, who is the best defensive boxer I've seen in my lifetime.

Mugwump, re: the 'check hook', Hatton was ready to go for the fuill round before walking into that shot, yes it was a lovely timed punch that in effect ended the fight, but it was the accumulation of big right hands that had done all the damage in that fight. In that fight also, Mayweather caught Hatton nicely with alot of straights to the body (in the solar plexus, not round the side of the ribs), which was pretty ironic as everyone expected Hatton to go looking for PBF round the midsection.

I've seen Pac gas in the past (most notably against Marquez). But I think that was more through boiling down to make weight than anything else. Now he no longer needs to shed the pounds he looks very comfortable. I certainly didn't detect any evidence of stamina problems against Cotto or Clottey.

I just can't see how Floyd wins this on points. Yes, he will almost certainly be the more accurate puncher - but unless Pac starts air-conditioning the room with his shots he's going to win on punch count, which American judges seem to favour over accuracy. Besides, Floyd's hands are phucked. He can't afford to risk breaking one or both again in an attempt to match Pac's workrate.

Matt: Hatton was almost ready to go in the second round when Mayweather caught him sweet. Which is what he must try to do against Manny.

The other thing is - do not underestimate Mosley. Shane is a genuine ATG and a very dangerous opponent for both fighters. Yes, he lost out to Cotto. But it wasn't like he was blown away. And Cotto was arguably at his very best that night.

Rumours coming from America that Bob Arum is trying to make Margarito - Pacquioa

Can't see that happening. Roach thinks Margarito is too big for Pac. It's the same with Mosley, who they've tried to haggle down to 140 without success.

Looks like [url=http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26086Valero[/url is the next target. I didn't know that there is a clause in Mosley's contract which states that if he beats Mayweather, Floyd gets an automatic and immediate re-match. That could delay proceedings considerably.

Valero packs a mighty wallop and Pac couldn't afford to leave his chin open like he did against Clottey. But Valero is also hugely inexperienced at this level and his defence isn't anything to speak of. Looks like EVERYONE on the planet wants a piece of Manny - including Eric Morales (for a fourth bout) and even Yuriorkis Gamboa - the hot Cuban talent whose attacking skills are off the scale (whilst his defence hides somewhere in a basement).

Bob Arum has stated that there is no chance whatsoever of Manny fighting Floyd if he has to submit to additional testing. I wish he'd just stop and think for a moment about what that statement implies.

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/8580058.stmFarewell Harry[/url

still the voice I associate most with Boxing, didnt realise he had retired so long ago, just shows how little boxing is on the Beeb now

Never thought that much of Carpenter - mainly because he allowed that relationship with Bruno to be fostered, which rang more than a few "Uncle Tom" bells with many.

Reg Gutteridge was the best. Don't mind Larry Merchant or Darkey, either. Barry Mac knows his stuff, but he has the annoying habit of repeating the same phrase a dozen times each fight.

LOL - I see James Toney has signed with MMA. Claims he's going to knock Kimbo Slice into the hereafter.

I hate MMA but I'd LOVE to see that.

Audley will now fight Sprott for the vacant Europian HW title. Another hilairious KO awaits for Harrison?

I'd love to see him fight Haye, so Haye could KO the fat drug cheating gob5hite.

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8586280.stm Just give it up Ricky!!

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8586280.stm Just give it up Ricky!!

I'm surprised he didn't say: 'Ricky Hatton hasn't decided whether Ricky Hatton is retiring yet.'

As much as I enjoyed watching Hatton fight in the past, I'm sick of hearing about him at the moment, and I'm pretty apathetic as to whether he fights again or not.

if he did make a comback who would he fight thats worthwhile carrying on for??

there is only khan ... and i dont think he would beat him but i would like to see it

mayweather rematch aint going to happen

Matthew Hatton won the European Welterweight title last night. I'm glad for the lad because he's had it tough with a few decisions in fights.

anybody going to the David Haye fight


I Have never been to a boxing match before, however I decided to make a weekend of it in Manchester. Is there any advice people would give me.

I am also sat in block 108 lower tier anybody know whether I will have a decent view

thanks

I'm going and cannot wait. What advice do you want? Places to drink? Plenty of places around the MEN - the printworks and Northern Quarter. There's some good places towards Deansgate Locks and Oxford Road aswell if you want to branch out a bit. It'd only cost a few quid in a taxi.

You'll have a good view, the ring should be directly in front of you. Anywhere at the MEN is decent really.

i went to the khan v kotelnik fight... not the best view.. full of druggies in the toilets, most people drunk. you cant take your drink to your seat.

watch it at home is my advice

Haye just needs to box smart. Apply pressure and make the first round his. Work from behind the jab and throw combinations. What he MUST NOT do is try to carpet bomb Ruiz out of existence. The old warhorse has seen it all before and he's in the habit of hanging around.

This bout is reminiscent of Haye vs Carl Thompson. In that bout Haye battered Tommo from pillar to post for three rounds and then gassed later on. Certainly Ruiz is as durable as Thompson.

I have Haye as the clear favourite. He's grown up as a fighter and is approaching his peak. Ruiz is on the downslope. But he's an ugly, mauling, brawling kind of opponent who is never an easy proposition.

im seeing this fight as either a haye knockout or ruiz to expose his glass jaw

Spot on analysis again for me Muggy. You're not Freddie Roach are you?